What is Wrong with People

[tvp2003]

Honest question from a dad with two little girls: are kids that much more "evil" these days (and I don't use that term in any specific moral sense -- just a general notion of being "bad"). Because I'm pretty sure this is not the first time teenagers have done stupid/criminal things (like non-consensual sex), but victims are now resorting to killing themselves (first that girl in BC, now this)? What has changed? Is it the increased pressure/annoymity of social media allowing kids to be more aggressive/cruel in terms of bullying (or more accurately, harassment)?

EDIT: more examples (in the US) in the link Red Mile posted above... if kids didn't have cell phones, texting, facebook and twitter (i.e. like back when I was a teen), would things like this still be happening?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Honest question from a dad with two little girls: are kids that much more "evil" these days (and I don't use that term in any specific moral sense -- just a general notion of being "bad"). Because I'm pretty sure this is not the first time teenagers have done stupid/criminal things (like non-consensual sex), but victims are now resorting to killing themselves (first that girl in BC, now this)? What has changed? Is it the increased pressure/annoymity of social media allowing kids to be more aggressive/cruel in terms of bullying (or more accurately, harassment)?

EDIT: more examples (in the US) in the link Red Mile posted above... if kids didn't have cell phones, texting, facebook and twitter (i.e. like back when I was a teen), would things like this still be happening?

I don't think kids are any more or less malicious than they were 20 or 30 or 50 years ago, they just have the option to be huge #######s 24 hours a day and on weekends, when before they could only do it at school.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by Reaper

The thing that bothered me about the news report was when the reporter described the rape as "taking advantage of the girl" and "the attack". Not once was the word rape used in the video.

some network "genius" has probably banned the word as being too offensive; like they way they say "deceased" now instead of "dead".

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

some network "genius" has probably banned the word as being too offensive; like they way they say "deceased" now instead of "dead".

Well considering the age demographic of TV news watchers has to be concentrated well above 40+, I could see some older folks sensitive constitutions being offended by the stalk bluntness of the word rape.

[Northendzone]

i too think kids are about as mean as they used to be, but these days they have more ways to get at thier victim almost 24/7.......

[krynski]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

i too think kids are about as mean as they used to be, but these days they have more ways to get at thier victim almost 24/7.......

So true. I don't think there is much one can do to escape it, besides relocate and alter your identity almost entirely.

[polak]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Honest question from a dad with two little girls: are kids that much more "evil" these days (and I don't use that term in any specific moral sense -- just a general notion of being "bad"). Because I'm pretty sure this is not the first time teenagers have done stupid/criminal things (like non-consensual sex), but victims are now resorting to killing themselves (first that girl in BC, now this)? What has changed? Is it the increased pressure/annoymity of social media allowing kids to be more aggressive/cruel in terms of bullying (or more accurately, harassment)?

EDIT: more examples (in the US) in the link Red Mile posted above... if kids didn't have cell phones, texting, facebook and twitter (i.e. like back when I was a teen), would things like this still be happening?

I'm sure Social media and smart phones really changed the level of bullying. I graduated in '07 so Facebook and texting pics was still in it's infancy and there were already stories floating around about naked pictures of girls being sent around. I can only imagine how it's like today, especially in junior high when girls are prone to do some REALLY REALLY stupid stuff.

If there were smart phones back when I was in jr. high I know of at least two girls that would probably never live down what they did at a grade 9 party. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

[tvp2003]

So if someone got rid of their cell phone, and got off facebook and twitter, they could still be harassed in person... no different than 15 years ago. I guess the number of idiots doing the harassing would be much higher though, as photos/information can get disseminated so quickly these days (even if you did try to shield yourself from it)...

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by polak

I'm sure Social media and smart phones really changed the level of bullying. I graduated in '07 so Facebook and texting pics was still in it's infancy and there were already stories floating around about naked pictures of girls being sent around. I can only imagine how it's like today, especially in junior high when girls are prone to do some REALLY REALLY stupid stuff.

If there were smart phones back when I was in jr. high I know of at least two girls that would probably never live down what they did at a grade 9 party. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

So is it photos that really do the most harm? Seems to be a common link...

[polak]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

So if someone got rid of their cell phone, and got off facebook and twitter, they could still be harassed in person... no different than 15 years ago. I guess the number of idiots doing the harassing would be much higher though, as photos/information can get disseminated so quickly these days (even if you did try to shield yourself from it)...

It would follow you almost any where you go unless you move far, far, FAR away.

Edit: Yeah I think photos and videos kinda drive this crap. If a kid changes schools and someone tells people at their new school what they did on webcam or whatever they might get made fun of for a bit but it will probably be forgotten. If that same person shows people at new school a VIDEO of what the kid did, the bullying will probably be just as intense.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

So if someone got rid of their cell phone, and got off facebook and twitter, they could still be harassed in person... no different than 15 years ago. I guess the number of idiots doing the harassing would be much higher though, as photos/information can get disseminated so quickly these days (even if you did try to shield yourself from it)...

Not sure, because a lot of these idiots on line wouldn't have the guts to personally bully a person.

The global access to these pictures and social media increases the number of gutless lowlife pukes that can do the bullying

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by polak

It would follow you almost any where you go unless you move far, far, FAR away.

Edit: Yeah I think photos and videos kinda drive this crap. If a kid changes schools and someone tells people at their new school what they did on webcam or whatever they might get made fun of for a bit but it will probably be forgotten. If that same person shows people at new school a VIDEO of what the kid did, the bullying will probably be just as intense.

I think in this case you charge everyone that touches these type of pictures or vids with childporn offenses.

If you forward an email, pow your charged with childporn.

Forward Twitter pow your a pornographer

I honestly think anonymous people doing this kind of crap are the worst form of cowardly scumbags.

Lets see how tough they are when they're in a max prison and someone asks them what they're in for.

Yeah, bully this.

The rapists are bad, the bullies are just as responsible for the deaths, and we're seeing more and more of this.

Its just like the Swatting idiots, how long until someone gets killed by a swatting pranks?

[polak]

Can you charge a 16 year old for having a picture of another 16 year old naked? Someone brought up a peer group exemption or something in another thread and this might fall under that as well.

But if you can then yes I agree. Anyone forwarding this stuff should face consequences (Max sentencing might be a little extreme.)

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by polak

Can you charge a 16 year old for having a picture of another 16 year old naked? Someone brought up a peer group exemption or something in another thread and this might fall under that as well.

But if you can then yes I agree. Anyone forwarding this stuff should face consequences (Max sentencing might be a little extreme.)

From what I understand the peer thing doesn't matter, if you distribute material featuring a minor its considered distribution of Child Pornography.

[Flamenspiel]

Good news!

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/r...ened-by-police

[Senator Clay Davis]

Apparently Anonymous has a confession that they forwarded to police, and they won't leak any names unless of course the police dick this thing up.

[Devils'Advocate]

But the article states that the new information did NOT come from an online source... Someone has come forward and is cooperating. Maybe one of the boys is testifying against the others before one of the others gets the same idea.

[Flamenspiel]

Well, as a parent, you really have to control the online access of your children. You have to make yourself aware of the security tools available from an offensive and a defensive perspective

Some of my colleagues that have daughters have responded quickly by immediately bringing a potential incident to the attention of the school and providing forensic evidence of hostile activity. You have to control access as well, there is no way I would allow my kids to operate online with closed doors until they are at least finished high school and off to college. Similarly mobile devices(both android and IOS) have many tools available.

Unfortunately we are in sort of a transition period where the laws to protect privacy are not quite mature and some of the parents are not yet up to speed on cyber-defense.

[GGG]

I have two young girls so not at this point yet but my intent is to have a no electronics in bedrooms and zero privacy for all of the digital footprint.

To me this is no different then the rule I had growing up of not having phones in bedrooms and bedroom doors always being open when friends were over. I dont understand why parents dont know what is happening.

What are parents right now doing with their kids online privacy?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

I have two young girls so not at this point yet but my intent is to have a no electronics in bedrooms and zero privacy for all of the digital footprint.

To me this is no different then the rule I had growing up of not having phones in bedrooms and bedroom doors always being open when friends were over. I dont understand why parents dont know what is happening.

What are parents right now doing with their kids online privacy?

Well you have the parents that don't care. Then you have the parents that don't understand the dangers. Then you have the parents that can't control their kids anymore because they screwed up at a younger age when it came to discipline.

Honestly though, it is 2013. The internet has been around for years. It doesn't take that much time to do some basic research together if you're not that computer literate.

If you truly care about the safety and wellbeing of your kids, you WILL find a way to teach yourself the basics of online privacy and how to control and maintain their internet habits.