How long before Feaster makes a move, and WHAT does he do?

[868904]

Originally Posted by $ven27

The same Jokinen with 7 points in 20 games?

Good one.

Don't forget the team leading minus 10!

He's no better a centre than Cervenka.

[Poe969]

lol at the "we should have kept Jokinen". Why don't some of you get it???? The team was bad, so bad they came in 9th place for 3 years in a row and you want to put the main pieces of that team back together????

This is the problem with some fans and all these stupid "I like...." threads. You start to form some kind of bond with the player and seem to like them more than you like the actual team. Having Olli on the team didn't work, why the heck would you want that again?? Do you think he's become better with age???? Has management poisoned you to the point you think this is an old mans game now???

As long as there are fans out there screaming to keep the team as is or to bring back players that were here before, this team will fail. It's not like we were a stanley cup favourite and for some reason the team had to split up and bringing them back together will make us champions again.

This team isn't good, wasn't good and if changes aren't made it won't be good.

Keeping it the same or make it the way it was is only going to make it the way it is or was....bad.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am at least confident (as confident as can be these days) that Feaster will NOT trade away futures for 'win now' players - at least not vets.

The O'reilly move was win now AND win later - addressed the center position for the future as well as the now.

I do think that Feaster will try and make another trade towards center, but will not sacrifice futures for someone that will only be around for a season or two. If it is going to be a vet, he will either sign one of the available FAs (like Arnott - though I don't see how that will really help) or trade some wingers/defencemen for someone 'decent'. Trading away 'picks/prospects/youth already on the team' will only be for youth in return, I would assume.

Feaster has done a decent job of getting the Flames a bit younger with more impact players under the age of 30. No franchise or superstars, for sure, but at least good players that will help this team win in the future. I can live with a bad trade, as long as whomever the Flames get is young-ish, and it doesn't involve our 1st.

I really can't think of too many scenarios where the Flames end up making the playoffs with their upcoming schedule. I don't think they can garner enough of an impact player in the trade market, without giving up way too much to do so. The most logical thing to do is to go after Philly's young centers, or the Blues' (though I doubt the Blues would really be in a position to trade one of them, like Berglund).

Bouwmeester is probably trade bait in order to try and get a good center, and probably additional pieces as well. It won't be cheap, and it may just end up creating a big whole at the end of it. What teams are relatively deep at center, and who have large holes to fill in either defence or wing (or ideally, BOTH!)? Would Ottawa trade Zibanejad or Turris for Bouwmeester or Giordano?

I think a move is going to be very expensive to make. I hope they just use those assets and try and get someone younger, so that if it doesn't pan out, that player can be a contributor through the rebuild.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

Just becuase they are big words, does not mean they don't matter.

Real life means you need an education to understand any sort of valuation process.

You are exactly like the 3 MBA grads I hired in my business and told them to forget everything they learned and to pay attention to the industry they are now working in. All the classes do is show potential BOSSES that you have the ability to learn what you need in the real world. And before you give me your wonderful take on what I understand, I run a $300M per year business and have for 20 years.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

You are exactly like the 3 MBA grads I hired in my business and told them to forget everything they learned and to pay attention to the industry they are now working in. All the classes do is show potential BOSSES that you have the ability to learn what you need in the real world. And before you give me your wonderful take on what I understand, I run a $300M per year business and have for 20 years.

Big shot over here.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by $ven27

The same Jokinen with 7 points in 20 games?

Good one.

Well he is plays center which there is just one of those on the Flames right now and Jokinen is actual accountable in the defensive zone which is foreign to most of the forwards, especially the three wingers who are playing center each night.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I am at least confident (as confident as can be these days) that Feaster will NOT trade away futures for 'win now' players - at least not vets.

The O'reilly move was win now AND win later - addressed the center position for the future as well as the now.

....

Feaster has done a decent job of getting the Flames a bit younger with more impact players under the age of 30. No franchise or superstars, for sure, but at least good players that will help this team win in the future.

I too am confident Feaster won't be trading a 1st round pick for a rental, but that doesn't mean he won't trade a 1st for a 30+ year old with at least a couple years left on his contract. I can easily see Feaster trading a 1st for Brad Richards and I bet Feaster will see the trade as a win now and in the future type move.

I have said this before, people talk as if Darryl went out and traded 1st round picks for 35+ year olds or signed them to multi-year contracts. Some people have forgotten that Darryl went out and acquired players like Tanguay, Cammalleri, Bouwmeester, and Jokinen when they were in the same age group as Hudler and Wideman are now in. At the end of the day, Feaster has not made this team better.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Well he is plays center which there is just one of those on the Flames right now and Jokinen is actual accountable in the defensive zone which is foreign to most of the forwards, especially the three wingers who are playing center each night.

Jokinen is a career -121, fwiw.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Feaster will likely do something in the next 14 days. It will likely be a press conference to tell us about all the deals he tried to make recently but wasn't able to.

[Sakari]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Jokinen is a career -121, fwiw.

When you play for the Panthers and Flames most of your life.. things don't go well in the plus minus category.

[Ashasx]

Every Jets fan I've talked to hates Jokinen. His swooping has never been more defined.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Sakari

When you play for the Panthers and Flames most of your life.. things don't go well in the plus minus category.

Many would say Jokinen is miles better than Iginla defensively, however Iginla is +50. Not that +/- means much, but just something to think about. Joker was a frustrating player to watch.

[Scoutski]

I doubt Feaster is going to give up a lot of future assets for a 30+ player on a short-term deal, I'd bet a lot of money on that too.

If he does, I'd be done with the Flames for at least this year, maybe a few.

[kehatch]

I think there is a reasonable chance Feaster targets Lecavalier.

He knows Lecavalier. He needs a top 6C. He was willing to give basically the same contract to Brad Richards (same age). With the O'Reilly offer sheet he showed he is willing to give up high picks.

If Tampa is going to trade Lecavalier it is now.

1st, Gaudreau, Byron (CGY) for (TBL) Lecavalier

For the record I am not endorsing that trade. Just predicting it.

[Flickered Flame]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I think there is a reasonable chance Feaster targets Lecavalier.

He knows Lecavalier. He needs a top 6C. He was willing to give basically the same contract to Brad Richards (same age). With the O'Reilly offer sheet he showed he is willing to give up high picks.

If Tampa is going to trade Lecavalier it is now.

1st, Gaudreau, Byron (CGY) for (TBL) Lecavalier

For the record I am not endorsing that trade. Just predicting it.

Lecavalier should be considered a target because of the connection but why trade for a guy who is a buy out candidate? The Flames are not making the playoffs this year so there is really no rush to make that move.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Flickered Flame

Lecavalier should be considered a target because of the connection but why trade for a guy who is a buy out candidate? The Flames are not making the playoffs this year so there is really no rush to make that move.

First, I doubt that Tampa buys out Lecavalier. They don't have that kind of money. And they have way to much respect for him.

Second, I am not endorsing the move. But Feaster needs to find a 1C if he wants any chance of making the playoffs this season. And probably if he wants any chance of signing Iginla to a contract extension. I think that explains the desperation behind the O'Reilly fiasco. And that desperation still exists.

If you look at the list of top 6C that are potentially available at the deadline it is VERY small. Lecavalier could be the type of impact player he could actually get.

Personally I think it would be a horrible move. I just think Feaster might make it.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

You are exactly like the 3 MBA grads I hired in my business and told them to forget everything they learned and to pay attention to the industry they are now working in. All the classes do is show potential BOSSES that you have the ability to learn what you need in the real world. And before you give me your wonderful take on what I understand, I run a $300M per year business and have for 20 years.

$300M a year? Can you do us all a favor and buy the Flames and start the rebuild?

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by kehatch

First, I doubt that Tampa buys out Lecavalier. They don't have that kind of money. And they have way to much respect for him.

Second, I am not endorsing the move. But Feaster needs to find a 1C if he wants any chance of making the playoffs this season. And probably if he wants any chance of signing Iginla to a contract extension. I think that explains the desperation behind the O'Reilly fiasco. And that desperation still exists.

If you look at the list of top 6C that are potentially available at the deadline it is VERY small. Lecavalier could be the type of impact player he could actually get.

Personally I think it would be a horrible move. I just think Feaster might make it.

Adding 1 Position to your lineup does not get you into the playoffs. Not when you are as bad as the Calgary Flames.
I think 1st Line Centres are over rated.

[kipperfan]

The ONLY way I would consider a Lecavalier trade is if it was something silly like Comeau + Babchuk for Lecavalier + 2nd round pick. Or Cammy for Lecavalier + 1st round pick. If Feaster actually trades legitimate young assets for Lecavalier (or someone like him) it is going to be very hard to continue cheering for a Jay Feaster lead team.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I think there is a reasonable chance Feaster targets Lecavalier.

He knows Lecavalier. He needs a top 6C. He was willing to give basically the same contract to Brad Richards (same age). With the O'Reilly offer sheet he showed he is willing to give up high picks.

If Tampa is going to trade Lecavalier it is now.

1st, Gaudreau, Byron (CGY) for (TBL) Lecavalier

For the record I am not endorsing that trade. Just predicting it.

I highly doubt Lecavalier will waive his NMC mid season. I don't think he will be bought out, at least not this summer. I'm also not sure if Feaster will be around after this season to make any trades. If he fails to keep this team competitive for this season and Iggy does not re-sign he will have failed on the 2 mandates. This "egg in the face" offer sheet situation will be the cherry on top for his dismissal.