[PGT] Flames embarrassed at home again

[djsFlames]

Advisable first step from here?

Call COL and offer anything that doesn't involve Sven/Brodie/1st for ROR, and pray they latch onto something.

Next step: Call up Breen and trade out one or (if possible) two of Butler/Sarich/Babchuk

Next step: Trade off remaining core players not named Giordano for all the 1sts and 2nds you can get at the deadline.

Next step (April) Get Johnny Hockey on his NHL deal, and call him up for the last few weeks of meaningless games to get his feet wet. Have him and Sven or Backlund playing together and let that chemistry form prior to next season.

Next step: Recall Karri Ramo from the KHL as soon as Omsk is done. Give him the remaining games until the season is over.

Next step: Sign Cervenka.

Next step: Draft in the top 5-10, acquire a 1st line quality center. Get him to play with our other young guys in the fall with top 9 minutes.

Next step: Pat yourselves on the back for finally doing a good thing for your fans.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

People need to realize that this "rebuild" is going to take awhile. Sutter crippled this franchise when he was GM.

Back to blaming a Sutter, I wonder how many more years that excuse will fly. And remind me again who allowed Darryl to pull all those trades?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I defend those who unfairly receive criticism.

MacKinnon hasn't played in the NHL either, but people wouldn't mind tanking for him.

not sure how saying I "have zero confidence in Feaster" is unfair criticism. It's an opinion, clearly stated as such.

The team is currently floundering. They haven't gotten better in year 2; they have gotten worse. Feaster talks of a meritocracy - I am using his metric for success

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by zamler

Back to blaming a Sutter, I wonder how many more years that excuse will fly. And remind me again who allowed Darryl to pull all those trades?

My guess is he looked at ownership with those big doe eyes of his

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Do you have evidence edwards is running this team day to day?

No of course not. What I observe is that there have been multiple regimes here but all failed in similar ways. And that decisions regarding the biggest assets of this team and what to do with them does not seem to rest with the general manager.

Ken king answered the question about trading iginla quite definitively in that other thread. To me that suggests that the decision is not feasters to make.

It is my opinion that someone in the ownership group is telling Ken King to be more involved in day to day hockey operations. In other words talent management which is not traditionally the role of the president.

[Karl Racki]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Ken King runs the business, Jay Feaster makes the hockey decisions.

People need to realize that this "rebuild" is going to take awhile. Sutter crippled this franchise when he was GM.

He makes the hockey decisions he's allowed to make. And he's done a decent but not great job of that IMO. When he went nuts on TV a few years back and said he was going to blow it up I believe he meant it. Then I believe he was "reminded" that he wasn't going to blow it up at all.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'd hate to be a seasons ticket holder this year. Gonna be hard selling tickets you can't use for any upcoming games.

Thank god this is my last season having to split them, next year it is only 7 games for me and I found another sucker to take the other 15 or 16. I feel bad, just gave SUnday's tickets to a friend for his birthday, I am the worst friend ever.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Karl Racki

Reality is we are probably a much better team on paper than at any time during B Sutter's tenure. We are still terrible on paper to be clear. Still think the issue leadership. Starts with Jerry Jones, errrr, ummm Murray Edwards and Ken King. Ends with Iggy. Collectively they set the tone for the whole organization. As long as they run the show it will be more of same.

Ken King isn't the problem, he is a businessman. He makes business decision and works on things like getting a new arena and how to crush people's hands with surprising efficiency but he isn't responsible for a powerplay that generates zero shots. He doesn't make hockey decisions and if he did he should be fired because he isn't a hockey guy, he works on the business end of the spectrum. Oddly enough the reason he is good at his job is the same reason that people are calling for his head - he is visible... does anyone remember who the President of the Calgary Flames was before? Who the President of 28 of the other clubs are (the only one I know is Lowe in Edmonton)... I don't have a clue.

[jhunt223]

This game actually made me feel sad. It sure would suck to be Jarome Iginla these days.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Do you have evidence edwards is running this team day to day?

What's evidence have to do with stuff that is made up?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by J-bo09

I was talking about the picture...not your post..take it easy

well in that case I agree with you

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

This game actually made me feel sad. It sure would suck to be Jarome Iginla these days.

His bank account, attractive wife, children and generally carefree life likely make it better.

[Skootenbeeten]

Hey I thought Aliu was going to get a shot on the Flames this season, what happened?

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Just got home from the game. Clearly I am cursed as they lost every game I have been at. A few things I noted:

-Cammalleri was bad. I mean really weak on the puck and looked more lost than even Glencross. Which brings me to my next point:
-Scoreface WTF? When did he learn to suck so bad. He was worse than Comeau out there, and that's saying something.
-Too many no look back passes. Even one of those is too many. STOP THAT GARBAGE.
-Macdonald was great tonight. He more than gave the Flames a chance. Too bad the rest of the team didn't bother showing up until the last 5 minutes. AFTER I bellowed at the top of my (very huge and loud) lungs to "WAKE UP".

The team just didn't bother to show up tonight. No jump, no intensity. The Kings owned this game from the last 5 minutes of the first on. And the better team definitely won.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by zamler

Back to blaming a Sutter, I wonder how many more years that excuse will fly. And remind me again who allowed Darryl to pull all those trades?

If you believe the rumors that were circulating at the time Sutter had to trade number 12 or number 3. Number 3 was his guy and I think if he was able to do what he wanted he would've traded number 12.

But we'll never know. It's all just speculation and discussion fodder.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

This game actually made me feel sad. It sure would suck to be Jarome Iginla these days.

7 million for playing average at best hockey...wouldn't be too bad

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by zamler

Back to blaming a Sutter, I wonder how many more years that excuse will fly. And remind me again who allowed Darryl to pull all those trades?

Well it's not like he left our cupboards full of prospects. Out of all the Sutter drafts we are left with backlund and brodie as basically the only NHL level players, how is that not his fault.

And look, you can't have it both ways, you either hire people to make hockey decisions and let them make those decisions, good or bad, or you don't. My philosophy is that owners shoulnd't meddle and the let the hockey guys make the hockey decisions....look how much criticism Jerry Jones, Skeletor and Dan Snyder get/got.

[AltaGuy]

I still think B. Sutter was a worse coach than Hartley. While Hartley is in part responsible for our situation at center, he had horrible centers to begin with and much worse goaltending. I think Kipper would've rounded into form by now, and we'd be winning more games than we ought to...

The whole team is suffering from the pathetic excuse for a group of centers we have. Our defensive game, our transition game, and our ability to maintain pressure is hamstrung by this situation. I don't think anyone can argue Hartley's goaltending is anywhere near the level Brent got from Kipper.

Come on Feaster - look at your logjam on the wings and find us some actual NHL centers.

[jhunt223]

Originally Posted by dino7c

7 million for playing average at best hockey...wouldn't be too bad

He's got so much money at this point that the pay cheques probably aren't as enticing as they were when he was younger. You couldn't pay me enough to go out and constantly embarrass my self on national tv like he has been.

[dino7c]

Sutter's drafting and poor trades set this team back for sure, its time to look forward though