[News] Flames re-assign Irving, recall Taylor

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Young-Sneezy

Because we have sucked so badly that we needed him to get us the few wins we did. are you daft? or just trying to bait people?

Do you make a habit of insulting those you disagree with?

It's this "win now" mentality that is setting this team back. At some point you need to give your goaltending prospects some serious look and see what they can do at the NHL level. We waited for Kiprusoff's injury before we started doing that.

Leland didnt make sense from jump, and people pumped his tires because its ridiculous to sit behind your goalie and say "no, this guy sucks."

well, guess what, he sucks. he sucked in the american league this year, and he isnt playing well in the NHL. Yes, he made some great saves, but we DONT have the time to sit here and say ok well leland you #### around for an entire season and we'll just rack up losses while you let in goals covering up the puck (hello Morrow).

It made alot of sense since he clearly won the backup role from Karlsson in training camp.

I doubt anyone from the coaching staff to managemnt thinks Irving sucks. They saw some things in his game that he needed to work and sent him back down.

Taylor was the starter, he took the job from leland, he deserves to actually get a shot, and if he ####s up, let MacDonald get in there and clean up some messes.

Guess he should have won the backup job at training camp.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Dion

The same can be said for Taylor. MacDonald will play until Kiprusoff gets back.

I'm not sure it can.

Until he's given a chance, that's a lofty assumption.

[Red]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

most teams give their nos 1 at least 20 games off a year Calgary is the only team ( I think) that expects its nos 1 to cover over 70 games

Would the extra few games help Irving?
When you have a good goalie you play him. Yes, we havent has a good backup for a while, but that's irrelevant to Irving's departure. He played himself off the team.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Red

The plan was to ride Kipper in a short season. The injury was obviously not anticipated. But is it any different for any other teams? Of course someone will bring up Vancouver and their 2 goalies, but let's not forget that had they actually traded Luongo and Schneider got injured they'd be in the same situation as us.

Two major differences though, Schnieder was developed and played in order to succeed Luongo, until he took on that mantle Vancouver had a succesion of older back ups that were reliable for 20 odd games, and on top of that Schnieders replacement is already in place.

I agree that with injuries any team can become unstuck in any position but the Flames rely on Kipper to play 70 odd games with no real other plan.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Red

Would the extra few games help Irving?
When you have a good goalie you play him. Yes, we havent has a good backup for a while, but that's irrelevant to Irving's departure. He played himself off the team.

If they weren't so cheap and reliant on Kipper Irving would have been brought up regularly instead of Karlson (a mediocre player even in the Swedish League who was signed because he could play for league minimim and no other reason) and the team would have know what it had 2 years ago

[FBI]

Hasek?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by moon

I would hope that Taylor is just up here to open the gate and if Kipper is out long term and they need someone to start that Irving is back up and Taylor sent back down.

Of course you do, anything for the Flames to fail with you.

[Ashasx]

What do you mean by cheap?

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Dion

Do you make a habit of insulting those you disagree with?

It's this "win now" mentality that is setting this team back. At some point you need to give your goaltending prospects some serious look and see what they can do at the NHL level. We waited for Kiprusoff's injury before we started doing that.



It made alot of sense since he clearly won the backup role from Karlsson in training camp.

I doubt anyone from the coaching staff to managemnt thinks Irving sucks. They saw some things in his game that he needed to work and sent him back down.



Guess he should have won the backup job at training camp.

I do not think he CLEARLY won the job in training camp as both he and Karlsson were on waivers.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I'm not sure it can.

Until he's given a chance, that's a lofty assumption.

Just responding to the blanket statement that Irving is not an NHL goaltender. Neither of course be stated as true.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by rhino

I do not think he CLEARLY won the job in training camp as both he and Karlsson were on waivers.

I guess Feaster and company were feeding us fans and the media a line of BS

[Red]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If they weren't so cheap and reliant on Kipper Irving would have been brought up regularly instead of Karlson (a mediocre player even in the Swedish League who was signed because he could play for league minimim and no other reason) and the team would have know what it had 2 years ago

And then you'd be complaining that we weren't patient enough.

Schneider was developed? Not any different than we did with Irving. Difference is that Schneider played well in the NHL and great in the AHL. Irving can't even crack an AHL roster and he was terrible here.

Canucks just happened to get one of those guys that panned out. It had nothing to do with how many games he was given etc. He played well enough to keep getting another look.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Dion

I guess Feaster and company were feeding us fans and the media a line of BS

Yes, that's what they do. All of them. Any time a GM says the truth to the media they get in trouble for hurting players feelings. It is what normal people do. Is it a surprise to you?

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Two major differences though, Schnieder was developed and played in order to succeed Luongo, until he took on that mantle Vancouver had a succesion of older back ups that were reliable for 20 odd games, and on top of that Schnieders replacement is already in place.

I agree that with injuries any team can become unstuck in any position but the Flames rely on Kipper to play 70 odd games with no real other plan.

hahaha Schneider. He's not even that good. Canucks should be grateful Luongo has such a bad contract no one wants him and that he is still around to save your asses.

Going forward Canucks have the most expensive back up goalie in the league.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Red

And then you'd be complaining that we weren't patient enough.

Schneider was developed? Not any different than we did with Irving. Difference is that Schneider played well in the NHL and great in the AHL. Irving can't even crack an AHL roster and he was terrible here.

Canucks just happened to get one of those guys that panned out. It had nothing to do with how many games he was given etc. He played well enough to keep getting another look.

Scheiders first season up was dreadfull, he got 8 games and was an .877, 4 losses and an ot loss

[Teroy]

"When we claimed Joey MacDonald off waivers we did so with the expectation that he would play games for us," Flames general manager Jay Feaster said in a release. "Now that he has seen some game action we intend to use him more. By sending Leland to Abbotsford at this time he does not require waivers. We want Leland to go down and work on sharpening his game."
Feaster added that the Flames also want to evaluate Taylor at the NHL level.

[BEANZ]

Oops

[Zulu29]

Well I really hope that Taylor pans out because if he doesn't what's the recourse? Recall Irving again? Kipper needs some super human healing powers because we need him back last week.

[Red]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Scheiders first season up was dreadfull, he got 8 games and was an .877, 4 losses and an ot loss

Was he? Or was he victimized in back to backs etc? I honestly don't know, but that's what typically happens to backups.
But still, he went down to the AHL and was a great starter. So he was showing something there. What has Irving shown?

Don't know why we are comparing Irving to Schneider. Some players have it and some don't. Irving does not have it.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Well I really hope that Taylor pans out because if he doesn't what's the recourse? Recall Irving again? Kipper needs some super human healing powers because we need him back last week.

Bring Irving back. They want to see if MacDonald can carry the load, they want to see if Taylor can do something at the NHL level, and they want to see if Irving can regain some confidence in Abbotsford.

All of this makes sense. And it is what any team without a proven backup will go through. Sucks for us, but hopefully Kipper is only another week or so away.