[News] Flames claim Joey MacDonald

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What is wrong with you? Why are half he posters on this forum so god damn confrontational?

My irony meter just exploded.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Personally, I am not saying Irving is going to be a full time starter in the long run. It is possible of course. He is only 24. But to ride out this season he would be fine. Adding Ramo next season puts a major log jam in the crease though with Irving, MacDonald and Ramo. Again all signs to me and maybe me alone, point to a Kipper trade. Just makes zero sense to have 4 out of 49 contracts being eaten up by goaltenders with another on the way after this season. Add Ortio to the group that will be in the AHL next years as well. The Stable is LOADED. also, Broissoit should be turning pro next year too right?

Ramo is the second coming of Taratuhkin, you heard it here first.

[gpflamesfan]

I may be in the minority but I think it is a great move. I actually expected calgary to put in a claim for mcdonald. Management knows that back/groin injuries can be finicky and that it is a little unwise to run with 2 goaltenders with a total of 2 career wins. I expect we will see one of McDonald or Irving in the press box for a couple weeks after kipper gets back to ensure he is 100%. At that time they will waive whatever keeper is the weaker link. I don't know why so many people are up in arms over a solid hockey move.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by timbit

All are very valid concerns and questions. Sometimes you just have to eschew logic and blindly place your trust in the rock solid plan.

Sounds a little cynical to me, are you sure you are a fan of the Calgary Flames?

[kehatch]

This isn't surprising. Clearly they don't have faith in Irving. They had the guy on waivers a few weeks ago and allowed him to be the third strong in Abby prior to the season start.

Meanwhile Kipper isn't playing well and suffered an injury. That isn't to say they are giving up on Kipper. But it does mean that they want a back-up they trust just in case.

I would have preferred to see them take a flyer on Bishop or Bernier rather then on a 33 year old guy who is UFA at season end. But they are pretty high on Ramo so this makes sense from their perspective.

To bad for Irving though. But I can't blame the Flames for lacking faith. His AHL numbers were underwhelming, he kept losing the starting job in Abby, and he has been shaky (not bad) in the NHL so far. There isn't much there to suggest he is a future NHL starter. And if he isn't then they might as well find a veteran back-up.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

My irony meter just exploded.

When you see the same posts from the same people everyday, it's hard not to be confrontational yourself.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by jg13

Kiprusoff is out long term
Taylor gets sent down (Signed only as an absolute emergency)

just my guess.

Who knows a trade could be on the way.

This is exactly what I'm thinking.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

for the 10th time i never said Irving was the reason why we lost. But he has looked not like an NHL calibre goalie.

The timing of his goals are terrible including the one in columbus.

and yes they were. Flames kill off that PP against the Canucks and it's a different game. He doesn't let in that weak tying goal 20 seconds after Cevenka puts up his first and we blow out Columbus that nite.

I agree with this. Teams with confidence in their goalie play with confidence and swagger. It's no coincidence that the team fails to show-up when they have an AHL back-up. The past 3 games were Irving's chance and he didn't make good on it.

His rebound control has been terrible. He sits way too far back in his net to play the angles and his lateral movement isn't fast enough to make up for it.

It sucks, because he seems like the kind of guy you want to root for, but we have to be honest with ourselves.

[Locke]

I remember the days when he used to be Detroit's go-to guy.

I think theres a lot of over-reaction going on here. Ultimately I think it says more about Taylor than Irving. I think MacDonald and Irving are going to split time until Kipper gets back.

This isnt the end of Irving, he'll be backing up Kipper until Ramo is free and then who knows what happens when Kipper's contract is up. Maybe Ramo/Irving is our tandem for the future or maybe we trade both of them for a bag of pucks, re-sign Iginla and he plays in net for us after Feaster swims through a pool of cocaine. You just never know with the Calgary Flames.

[Saqe]

There has to be something going on if Kipper indeed plays wednesday already, it just doesn´t make any sense otherwise. They don´t need to use a contract spot for a backup who would play 2-3 games.

Edit: Kipper has to be injured more than we think. Irving has been a solid backup, no point signing Macdonald just for another backup role.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Personally, I am not saying Irving is going to be a full time starter in the long run. It is possible of course. He is only 24. But to ride out this season he would be fine. Adding Ramo next season puts a major log jam in the crease though with Irving, MacDonald and Ramo. Again all signs to me and maybe me alone, point to a Kipper trade. Just makes zero sense to have 4 out of 49 contracts being eaten up by goaltenders with another on the way after this season. Add Ortio to the group that will be in the AHL next year as well. The Stable is LOADED. also, Broissoit should be turning pro next year too right?

Next year could look like a terrible log jam if Broissoit makes the jump:

AHL: Brust, Taylor, Ortio, Irving, Broissoit.

NHL: MacDonald, Ramo, Possibly Kipper, Irving.

I highly doubt MacDonald is on the flames long term plans. He is ufa after this season.

Irving is all but done unless he can stand on his head for the next couple of games.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

so you have no problem with the Canucks and oilers dancing around our net and doing triple sowcows in the neutral zone?

and who cares about our former first round pick goalie. That brings no value at all at this stage in his career.

hmmmm i think a #1 goalie would be more crucial to a team than a #1 centre.

and there is no way in hell the Wild would trade Clutterbuck for a first. You would need more than that to get him.

Wait..what?! I think the Wild would take that trade in a second! A chance at a top 5 pick in this year's draft? Clutterbuck is great and definitely a type of guy that helps win championships...but not at the potential price of MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin or Barkov.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Personally, I am not saying Irving is going to be a full time starter in the long run. It is possible of course. He is only 24. But to ride out this season he would be fine. Adding Ramo next season puts a major log jam in the crease though with Irving, MacDonald and Ramo. Again all signs to me and maybe me alone, point to a Kipper trade. Just makes zero sense to have 4 out of 49 contracts being eaten up by goaltenders with another on the way after this season. Add Ortio to the group that will be in the AHL next year as well. The Stable is LOADED. also, Broissoit should be turning pro next year too right?

Next year could look like a terrible log jam if Broissoit makes the jump:

AHL: Brust, Taylor, Ortio, Irving, Broissoit.

NHL: MacDonald, Ramo, Possibly Kipper, Irving.

The volded do not hve contracts for next year. It's only logjam if they sign everyone, which they won't.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I forgot, why is Ramo the best goaltender int he 2nd best league in the world? Did he win the 2nd best league in the worlds' Vezina?

I find that whenever an older player comes over the NHL, at this point people simply assume that someone somewhere has said that they're the "best outside of the NHL." No one needs to have actually said it. It's bizarre.

But maybe in this case the Flames scouting feel that Rämö really is. All I can say that if the title of being the best outside the NHL could be decided on, Rämö would have to be one of the candidates considered. But it really is a meaningless thing to say and it's something that has been "quoted" about far worse players than Rämö. All we can say is that the Flames like what kind of player he is.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Ramo is the second coming of Taratuhkin, you heard it here first.

Noted.

But since Ramo is Finnish and not Russian wouldn't he be the 2nd coming of Tomi Maki?

and Rambo is going to make you eat your words.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Saqe

There has to be something going on if Kipper indeed plays wednesday already, it just doesn´t make any sense otherwise. They don´t need to use a contract spot for a backup who would play 2-3 games.

Edit: Kipper has to be injured more than we think. Irving has been a solid backup, no point signing Macdonald just for another backup role.

With Kipper's injury, they probably don't feel he will be able to play as much as they hoped when he gets back. I like Irving but its been clear for a while now that management does not feel the same way.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

The volded do not hve contracts for next year. It's only logjam if they sign everyone, which they won't.

Okay so out of the Bolded how would you set up the AHL tandem, then the two or three in the NHL?

Ramo/Irving NHL

Ortio/Broissoit AHL.

But it sucks for guys like Taylor and Brust who played well enough for the organization. Very likely they find jobs elsewhere anyways but you don't you have to use those spots to develop the talent your organization drafted?

[Husky]

Meh. A waste of a roster spot, money, etc etc etc.

The guy isn't anythign special. If your going to roll the dice while Kipper is out you might as well use your own dice rather han someones old used cast-off dice.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

How do you know he's not the real deal? He's the best goaltender in the second best league in the world.

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I forgot, why is Ramo the best goaltender int he 2nd best league in the world? Did he win the 2nd best league in the worlds' Vezina?

Bump for Ashasx

(not trying to hurt any feelings, it just keeps being said and I forgot what the justification was)

[simmonjam1]

I'm a little worried. I saw Joey MacDonald play in Houston with the Marlies back in Jan, 2010. The Marlies lost that game and it looked like Joey MacDonald's confidence was destroyed during that game. He couldn't stop anything. I think Houston scored 4-5 on him before finally yanking him.