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Old 01-31-2013, 04:07 PM   #161
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It was a horrible Trade.

What Sutter traded

Phaneuf 24- Young D man that was on the NHL all rookie team, 2 Allstar appearances.
Playoffs all 4 years with the Flames.

Sjostrom 27 - 4th line player.

Aulie 20 A young Prospect D 6'6 who ends up playing for the Leafs now TB.

and what Sutter traded for

Stajan 26- 2nd line Center who at that time on any competitive team is a 3rd Line Center.

Hagman 30- 3rd line Winger who is not the player he was.

White 26 - 2nd Line Small sized D.

Mayers 35 4th Line checker.

Regardless of how you feel about Dion etc currently. It was a horrible Trade Sutter made at the time and he would have been offered a hell of lot more if he would if let all GM's know What will you give Calgary for Phaneuf?

It has become common knowledge Sutter did not talk to many GM's at all about Phaneuf.
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Old 01-31-2013, 04:17 PM   #162
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I remember how "senior posters" here piled on everyone who thought we got spare parts back.

Oh how I wish we did get spare parts back! At least hey have a use!
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It was a horrible Trade.

What Sutter traded

Phaneuf 24- Young D man that was on the NHL all rookie team, 2 Allstar appearances.
Playoffs all 4 years with the Flames.

Sjostrom 27 - 4th line player.

Aulie 20 A young Prospect D 6'6 who ends up playing for the Leafs now TB.

and what Sutter traded for

Stajan 26- Pure Garbage

Hagman 30- Garbage

White 26 - Pure Garbage

Mayers 35 4th Line checker.

Regardless of how you feel about Dion etc currently. It was a horrible Trade Sutter made at the time and he would have been offered a hell of lot more if he would if let all GM's know What will you give Calgary for Phaneuf?

It has become common knowledge Sutter did not talk to many GM's at all about Phaneuf.
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Old 01-31-2013, 04:31 PM   #164
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I remember how "senior posters" here piled on everyone who thought we got spare parts back.

Oh how I wish we did get spare parts back! At least hey have a use!
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It has become common knowledge Sutter did not talk to many GM's at all about Phaneuf.
Since you are you and I trust just about nothing you have to say, I expect you'll be backing this up.
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Old 01-31-2013, 04:37 PM   #166
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The thing that bothers me when I think about this trade, isn't who we got in return. Its who we could have drafted instead of Dion. Hindsight I suppose, but it sucks to think that we traded what was supposed to be a franchise D man, for basically nothing. When we could have drafted a franchise center instead.
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Old 01-31-2013, 04:40 PM   #167
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I don't think we should have ever come down from the trees

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Old 01-31-2013, 04:46 PM   #168
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At the time Phaneuf wasn't garbage. At least he wasn't the garbage he is now. We could have gotten alot more for him if we didn't have such a stupid win at all costs right now view.
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Trade Day - 1 >> Phaneuf is a young great defender with tons of potential still untapped, would fetch a first line center but Sutter will never trade him because he's not bat-crap insane.

Trade Day >> Solid asset management! White will replace Dion, Stajan put up points in crappy TO so he will put up more points with Iginla and Hagman is a solid two way 20+ goal scorer!

Trade Day + 3 years >> Dion was crap all along.
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Nothing brings out poster vitriol like a Phaneuf thread!

I still remember that morning, waking up to my phone buzzing with my TSN text message. I had a bad feeling before I even looked at it.
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:10 PM   #170
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There are many factors in evaluating a trade besides players in and out. Such as, contracts (term and value), cap space, teem need, team chemistry etc
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:23 PM   #171
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I think Dion sucks but it was still a bad trade...it can be both.

looking back the best move would have been to trade him for a draft pick but if Daryl did that there would have been outrage at the time. More so
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:43 PM   #172
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Is that even possible? We haven't seen playoff time since he left, and we've be stuck in the no mans land of playoff rejcts each year. Not sure how it could actually be worse?
Iginla and conroy out of the organization would be worse I think.
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:53 PM   #173
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If anyone thinks we got the best trade available than they are blind Flames/Sutter apologists.

You trade a player if Dion's salary/calibre at the draft. The next draft there was rumors the sens were looking to move on from Spezza an they also signed puck moving dman Gonchar that summer so they were in the market

It was a knee jerk move and Darryl traded him to the most persistent GM who was more than happy to unload his useless crap he also got Sutter to toss in one of our only half decent prospects in Aulie

We also lacked a 2010 first with no prospects other than Backlund and we could have surely got one back if we held on until the draft

This mis-management of the Phanuef asset is a huge reason this team still relies on 2 35+ players that have carried this team for a decade to continue to do so
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Clearly Sutter was eager to have a centre for Hudler and Cervenka... and was able to fleece Burke!
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