TSN says Flames 14th

[magicpixels]

No calls me a troll because I have a realistic perspective as do the rest of unbiased hockey journalists. I haven't read or heard of 1 single person saying the flames will finish in the playoffs.

I personally have them pegged anywhere from 10th to as low as 14th depending on how things go and that's only because we are likely to see a 12-16 point gap between 8th and 15th.

I am a realist. Unfortunately the team I cheer for, The Flames, are not. Even their management is convinced Jarome should be a Flame for life. I love the idea to death but I do think it's unfair to Jarome. Nobody looks down at Raymond Bourque for doing what he did.

As we sit right now there is simply no reason to believe the flames will be cup contenders in the next 2-3 years.

I'd personally prefer we have one short season of pain to hopefully put together a quicker rebuild.

Talk on the Fan 960.

Iginla for Brayden Schenn
Kipper for Morgan Reilly

Draft either Drouin, Jones or McKinnon and all of the sudden we have FOUR stud prospects. Ramo coming in next year to play goal and we'd still have a good core of players in cammy, glencross, gio, wideman, etc.

I just don't get how management can't see this.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by magicpixels

Iginla for Brayden Schenn
Kipper for Morgan Reilly

Neither of those teams would make those deals.

Realistically, I think if we're trading them (I'm not suggesting it), we're looking at a return like a 1st + Joe Morrow from Pittsburgh for Iginla, Mark McNeill + 2nd from Chicago for Kipper.

Decent prospects, but nothing blue chip and nothing guaranteed.

[dino7c]

IGGY DOESN'T WANT TO LEAVE

besides, who is gonna win the cup? its a 30 team league and with parity its easy to say go win a cup, hard to find that team. At the deadline would Iggy have picked LA to go win a cup with last year

[JazzyFlame]

Now with Begin signed I'm sure TSN would just love to change their ranking.

[North East Goon]

Rielly for Kipper - no chance.

[magicpixels]

Philly would do the deal in a heart beat. You can surely suspect any Iginla deal would be a trade and sign deal where they would be getting another 2 years of Iginla.

Toronto also does the deal simply because it makes them a playoff team and it's by no means over payment for a guy that has another 5 years in the tank.


Iggy doesn't want to leave. He wants to do what is good for the team. He's said that time and time again. If they want to trade he's not going to stop it.

[TopChed]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

A couple of things stand out for me from last year - fun facts!

1. Calgary had as many or more regulation time victories as 6 playoff teams (SJ, LA, FLA, WSH, OTT, NJ).
2. Calgary had 4 less regulation time wins (32) than the mighty Canucks (36) just a fyi - STL had the most reg wins at 42.
3. The Flames were 2-7 in OT and 3-9 in SO
4. The Flames were the only team with less than 30 losses to miss the playoffs

My simple conclusions:
- the Flames are pretty good at hockey but quite terrible at modified hockey (4 on 4)
- the coin flip let them down.

Good post, and I would also add that I think the Flames will be much better in shootouts this year. Management was raving about the shootout skills of Baertschi and Hudler. A few more of those points would have made the difference last year, hopefully we see a boost this season.

[Red Menace]

While I don't have exceptionally high hopes for the Flames this year, to argue that they are a bottom 5 team in the league is ridiculous to me. We are a mediocre team as we have been for the past few seasons...but we are not a terrible one.
We are not a sexy pick because we do the unthinkable and dont blow up the team...Journalists have a hate on us for this, and continue to put the flames under the bus whenever they get they chance....I'm not saying we will make the playoffs...but we have a better chance of doing so than finishing 14th...

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by TopChed

Good post, and I would also add that I think the Flames will be much better in shootouts this year. Management was raving about the shootout skills of Baertschi and Hudler. A few more of those points would have made the difference last year, hopefully we see a boost this season.

Definitely valid points brought up by you and SeoulofFire. I do not think the Flames have the offensive firepower to play the way that Hartley wants them to play, nor the 200 foot commitment that is needed to succeed, but hopefully you guys are correct.

[djsFlames]

When this team lights it up, you're all going to shut your easily swayed, over analyzing flaps.

The media are not ****ing FORTUNE TELLERS!

Lol.

[Yakbutter]

I can't wait for the flames to sign Iginla so I don't have to read the same LETS TRADE IGGY HES GETTING OLD posts another 10 000 times. Seriously, don't you guys every get tired of rehashing this subject over and over?

It's the same with the bouwmeester hater's, every thread, every post, they say the same thing. Every point has been said a hundred times over, talk about something else.

[Igster]

%^&%#@! Bouwmeester.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Yakbutter

I can't wait for the flames to sign Iginla so I don't have to read the same LETS TRADE IGGY HES GETTING OLD posts another 10 000 times. Seriously, don't you guys every get tired of rehashing this subject over and over?

It's the same with the bouwmeester hater's, every thread, every post, they say the same thing. Every point has been said a hundred times over, talk about something else.

I think there is a split between two sides when it comes to Iginla so its always up for discussion with posters.

Team A: Iginla is the captain, has done it all and should stay here for the remainder of his career. These people love Iginla and would cheer for him even if he puts up 10 goals a season because they simply love Iggy.

Team B: Iginla is the captain, he has done it all, but he is on the wrong-side of thirty and we aren't a contending team anymore. Maybe we can give Iggy the chance to go somewhere else and try to win a cup, while in the process we can get a couple of pieces to start building our team forward (like a re-tool).

Team C: My friends told me that Iginla is old and useless so lets trade him away and start a rebuild. These are the casual fans who watch about five games every season and think they know it all. They don't deserve to be one of the two main teams.

That's just my opinion, though.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

IGGY DOESN'T WANT TO LEAVE

besides, who is gonna win the cup? its a 30 team league and with parity its easy to say go win a cup, hard to find that team. At the deadline would Iggy have picked LA to go win a cup with last year

Thank you - I have been meaning to post something similar...

People say: Iginla should go win a cup.

Okay, exactly which team is that with? The Penguins are the cup favourites at about 7-1... hardly a sure thing.

You can probably narrow it down to 3 or 4 teams in each conference, from which you are LIKELY (but by no means certain) to get a winner. Out of that, you have to pick ONE with which you can make a deal that makes sense.

Chastising Iginla for wanting to remain a Flame is deplorable.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Thank all the Hockey Gods that Iginla is more loyal to the Flames than a large number of the posters here are to him.

[$ven27]

As sad as it would be to see Iginla leave, if we were to move into a retooling phase after this season it would only make sense to move him. Espically if the return is a guy like Brayden Schenn. Plus if he were to leave, I could easily see him returning to end his career.

[Sakari]

http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/10/7...edictions-1-30

They have us making the playoffs on that list for last year. We didn't. They had LA making 4th. They didn't.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...edictions.html

This list has us finishing 10th. We placed 9th.

Also has LA making 4th. They didn't.

They also have the cup finalist NEW JERSEY DEVILS placing but ELEVENTH.


Predictions are NEVER right. MOST DEFINITELY not ones made by TSN.

[Yakbutter]

LOL @ Tsn and sportsnet having the flames finishing behind the oilers. Yea, I'm sure the oilers, with their one nhl caliber defenceman, midgets playing forward and ahl level goalie are going to make up 25 points in the standings and pass the flames.




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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by magicpixels

Philly would do the deal in a heart beat. You can surely suspect any Iginla deal would be a trade and sign deal where they would be getting another 2 years of Iginla.

Toronto also does the deal simply because it makes them a playoff team and it's by no means over payment for a guy that has another 5 years in the tank.


Iggy doesn't want to leave. He wants to do what is good for the team. He's said that time and time again. If they want to trade he's not going to stop it.

There's no point deconstructing this, is there?

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Yakbutter

LOL @ Tsn and sportsnet having the flames finishing behind the oilers. Yea, I'm sure the oilers, with their one nhl caliber defenceman, midgets playing forward and ahl level goalie are going to make up 25 points in the standings and pass the flames.




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Oilers fan and I agree.

The top line is good offensively, but questionable on the defensive end. The defense is abysmal, the bottom 6 is easily the worst in the league, the 2nd line is big wild card and Dubnyk/Coaching still have a lot to prove. I hope for two more top 5 picks to fill in some holes and then try to make the playoffs.