I have to ask what the relevance of this is to the rodeo? And what the Vancouver Humane Society has to do with safe injection sites?
Merely pointing out that we don't see groups outside of their city sending letters demanding them to change how they do things.....thus my comment that followed for them to "butt out"...
Merely pointing out that we don't see groups outside of their city sending letters demanding them to change how they do things.....thus my comment that followed for them to "butt out"...
I am quite confident that they do have groups which want Insite to be shut down such as the US and Canadian Governments actually.
As for what the Humane Society has to do with a safe injection site I feel as though I may never know.
For some reason in grade 8 we went to a slaughter house for chickens. I have no recollection of why we did this, but the sights/sounds/smells have always stuck with me.
Spend sometime on the slaughter floor at a big plant in Alberta, ie: Cargill......WOW is all I can say.
I am a meat eater, but I try to know where and how my meat is handled/raised/slaughtered.
Rodeo, will it die off, time will tell. It may develop into a display of skills which are no longer used on things other than animals. I am sure other cultures have developed in this way, but none jump to mind.
Is the slaughter floor the same as the kill floor?
I ask because many many years ago my brother worked at a packing plant in Toronto and he took me for a tour of the facilities and he told me he wasn't allowed to take me on to the kill floor. I have always assumed he was telling the truth and that was pretty well common practice in the industry... ie not allowing visitors to watch cattle being killed.
Being a competitor myself(Roughstock) I agree that calf roping is pretty harsh and I won't want to be in that position, no one wants to see an animal die, they are treated pretty well though. The question I want to ask VHS and PETA is "How do you know the animals don't enjoy this as much as the Cowboys?"
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Is the slaughter floor the same as the kill floor?
I ask because many many years ago my brother worked at a packing plant in Toronto and he took me for a tour of the facilities and he told me he wasn't allowed to take me on to the kill floor. I have always assumed he was telling the truth and that was pretty well common practice in the industry... ie not allowing visitors to watch cattle being killed.
Yeah same thing.
I was there for work related, usually the kill floor is not open to visitors
Is the slaughter floor the same as the kill floor?
I ask because many many years ago my brother worked at a packing plant in Toronto and he took me for a tour of the facilities and he told me he wasn't allowed to take me on to the kill floor. I have always assumed he was telling the truth and that was pretty well common practice in the industry... ie not allowing visitors to watch cattle being killed.
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Yeah same thing.
I was there for work related, usually the kill floor is not open to visitors
They take you there your first day of orientation.
Any tours I have seen or heard of, have gone into the kill floor. Additionally, a small portion (gutting table) is visible from the main office mezzanine.
Normally they don't show the actual knocking though.
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Because baby humans are equal to baby cows. They are the exact same thing with the exact same value to all of us.
If you dont value baby cows the same way you value your own child you are a goddamn monster and how dare you exist in our society.
As a matter of fact, right now we should all be thoroughly chastised for our inaction to stabilize the inequality between bovine and human youth.
We have public and separate school systems for our children but we are allowing bovine youth to go uneducated and thus condemning them to their serfdom! as such we are effectively condoning animal slavery.
For shame......for shame....
not just this, but what about the abuse female cows face when someone feels its okay to "milk" them
Kind of late to this thread, just thought I'd add that my father-in-law who is very much a died in the wool traditionalist switched to using a calf table a few years back.
The social aspect of having all the neighbors over for branding is missed for sure, but on the flip side 3 of us can put alot of calves through quite efficiently. Calf roping seems to be a bit of a dying art, on the ranches in his area in any event.
Kind of late to this thread, just thought I'd add that my father-in-law who is very much a died in the wool traditionalist switched to using a calf table a few years back.
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Kirk Cox@coxkirk I hunt and am more redneck than the avg dude at Starbucks, but I see no diff b/w chuckwagon races and Michael Vick. http://ow.ly/cdkXg
No difference? Really? Not even slightly?
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What I would like to ask the animal right's activists is:
- Are you going to buy a huge ranch and house all of these horses? Feed them, water them, exercise them daily (very gently mind you)?
- Are you going to make sure they get the running in they want to do - but not allow anyone else to watch, for fear those watching may be entertained?
- Do you have a dog? Does he or she entertain you? Do you live in an apartment with a large dog?
Last night's accident was a sad event - but the fact remains - if Chad hadn't rescued those horses in the first place, they would have been dead a long time ago.
Agreed. I think there is a huge difference. The horses in a chuckwagon race don't maul each other until the race is stopped.
Well I'm pretty sure A) Chuck drivers aren't betting on their own horses to defeat the other horses and B) The losing horses aren't electrocuted, or slammed into the ground, or shot. There are similarties between the two, namely they are entertainment for humans, but suggesting the sport that actively encourages animal death is the same as one where it happens accidentally seems absurd. Its why animal rights activists are hard to take seriously, the ridiculous hyperbole.
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What I would like to ask the animal right's activists is:
- Are you going to buy a huge ranch and house all of these horses? Feed them, water them, exercise them daily (very gently mind you)?
- Are you going to make sure they get the running in they want to do - but not allow anyone else to watch, for fear those watching may be entertained?
- Do you have a dog? Does he or she entertain you? Do you live in an apartment with a large dog?
Last night's accident was a sad event - but the fact remains - if Chad hadn't rescued those horses in the first place, they would have been dead a long time ago.
I try to stay out of these animal rights discussions because I know my views are not really appreciated or understood by most on this hockey forum. I did feel though that I could answer one of your points.
Your question was: Are you going to buy a huge ranch and house all of these horses? Feed them, water them, exercise them daily (very gently mind you)?
I have already had two rescue horses. One I rescued from the slaughter house at 5 months old and the other I rescued when she was unwanted at age 25 and also destined for slaughter. The 5 month old died at age 27. The old lady died at age 39. Much loved and well cared for.
The whole issue of these 'unwanted' ex racehorses is the breeding industry. People always want to know what will happen to them if the chucks and rodeo people don't 'rescue' them - well I look at the broader picture and know that the racing industry has to take a large chunk of responsibility. They are the ones that are excessively breeding these animals, they are the ones that are keeping the slaughter houses busy. So the breeding should be curtailed. I also transfer that same view to dog and cat breeders and irresponsible pet owners. None of these animals should be born in the first place. That is why I am for animal rights as I cannot and will not distinguish between the species. A dog, a cat, a cow, a horse. All the same to me. And, yes, I am vegetarian and have been for 35 years. Take the big prize money away and no-one would be taking part - believe me, money is what this event is all about.
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I try to stay out of these animal rights discussions because I know my views are not really appreciated or understood by most on this hockey forum. I did feel though that I could answer one of your points.
Your question was: Are you going to buy a huge ranch and house all of these horses? Feed them, water them, exercise them daily (very gently mind you)?
I have already had two rescue horses. One I rescued from the slaughter house at 5 months old and the other I rescued when she was unwanted at age 25 and also destined for slaughter. The 5 month old died at age 27. The old lady died at age 39. Much loved and well cared for.
The whole issue of these 'unwanted' ex racehorses is the breeding industry. People always want to know what will happen to them if the chucks and rodeo people don't 'rescue' them - well I look at the broader picture and know that the racing industry has to take a large chunk of responsibility. They are the ones that are excessively breeding these animals, they are the ones that are keeping the slaughter houses busy. So the breeding should be curtailed. I also transfer that same view to dog and cat breeders and irresponsible pet owners. None of these animals should be born in the first place. That is why I am for animal rights as I cannot and will not distinguish between the species. A dog, a cat, a cow, a horse. All the same to me. And, yes, I am vegetarian and have been for 35 years. Take the big prize money away and no-one would be taking part - believe me, money is what this event is all about.
I appreciate your post except it didn't answer the question. You rescued two horses and kept them as pets, I presume. Unfortunately, as you know, horses are not like dogs and cats that you can adopt one and keep it in the back yard. The opportunity for horses to be "rescued" is very slim and I expect that the chuckwagon drivers have rescued a countless number more horses than the odd bleeding-heart.
I grew up on a ranch and we rode horses (including our own rescues) for pleasure as well as round-ups. I know the care and attention the animals get as well as the type of land and pastures they roam during "offpeak hours" which is 90% of the time. I also know of the personal connection you get especially due to the shared work and the feeling of one mind / body when working cattle on horseback. I can only imagine that it extends to chuckwagons (and particularly due to the contribution to the driver's livelihood.) The time and energy invested into a horse engenders a strong emotional attachment and losing a horse is emotionally traumatic. I get annoyed when cowboys and chuckwagon drivers are talked about by activists as somehow inhumane, cruel or abusive to their animals as it is just simply so far from the truth as to be laughable. However, the activists get the airtime.
My previous post was initially intended to be tongue-in-cheek, but, in response to your post, you rescued two horses to which you should be commended, just as the same commendment should be made to the chuckwagon drivers. Addressing the root cause of horse abandonment is also important. However, the last statement regarding the "money" is false. There is not a lot of money in this sport or pretty much any rodeo event. There is a love for the sport, the camaraderie with the animals, and a pride in Western heritage.
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