A Song of Ice and Fire **Spoilers** Now more TV talk!

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

I do like the switch with the dragons, I never understood why she went in the house of undying before and my guess is that is where the dragons were taken

But the House of the Undying made sense before because it was her choice to take in that experience and hear them out.

If they are holding her dragons captive, what's she supposed to do? Just walk in and take them?

[GP_Matt]

I thought she went there to try to get answers.Will she take the same meaning from their message if she goes there on a tear to rip up the place and get her dragons back?

[Tinordi]

I like the TV version of the House of the Undying better. In the book, she just goes to the House for really no reason. It's actually a weak point in the book. The actual scene in the house is interesting but it really sticks out as extraneous in the story. Why does she go there? Who are the warlocks? And what was the point besides a bunch of foreshadowing?

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I like the TV version of the House of the Undying better. In the book, she just goes to the House for really no reason. It's actually a weak point in the book. The actual scene in the house is interesting but it really sticks out as extraneous in the story. Why does she go there? Who are the warlocks? And what was the point besides a bunch of foreshadowing?

ya that's what I was thinking

now she has a reason to go in there, where in the book everyone was telling her not too, and it's probably going to end up the exact same way

I just think it gives her more conviction

[rayne008]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I wonder how much the changes in the TV show are hints about what happens later in the books?

If characters are seemingly dropped from the show, he can't really just bring them in for their major plot point, can he?

I've been wondering about this as well..
No Reed's, how will that play out in particular?

Also I hope the make Tyrion more of the military stratigist he was protrayed in the books. (Wildfire, chain accross the bay, etc...)

Lastly,
I have a strange thing for Osha..

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by rayne008

I've been wondering about this as well..
No Reed's, how will that play out in particular?

If they don't just show up next early next season it could be, as already mentioned, that they aren't that important.

Osha's already taken some of their place in terms of talking about Warging with Bran, Bran himself has had the dreams that Jojen had (the sea coming to Winterfell). So outside of being travel companions and friends to Bran, which another Stark loyalist could probably fill in for, maybe there's not much else to them. Jojen death, the one he's seen, always seemed to be important with how it happens but maybe not.

I think the omission of the Blackfish and Edmure is even more surprising. Edmure's going to have a wedding where something or another happens but even this season he ####s up the war by allowing Tywin to be in position to save King's Landing. And the Blackfish and his escape from Riverrun seemed like it would end up being a big deal as well.

Of course with book 3 being seasons 3 and 4 they might have the time to introduce these characters then.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

If they don't just show up next early next season it could be, as already mentioned, that they aren't that important.

Osha's already taken some of their place in terms of talking about Warging with Bran, Bran himself has had the dreams that Jojen had (the sea coming to Winterfell). So outside of being travel companions and friends to Bran, which another Stark loyalist could probably fill in for, maybe there's not much else to them. Jojen death, the one he's seen, always seemed to be important with how it happens but maybe not.

I think the omission of the Blackfish and Edmure is even more surprising. Edmure's going to have a wedding where something or another happens but even this season he ####s up the war by allowing Tywin to be in position to save King's Landing. And the Blackfish and his escape from Riverrun seemed like it would end up being a big deal as well.

Of course with book 3 being seasons 3 and 4 they might have the time to introduce these characters then.

To be fair, we didn't learn that in the book until Book 3 IIRC. I mean we saw what Edmure was doing in book 2 but we didn't find out how it affected things until later.

[Arbitor]

For Bran's story line: This week is very likely going to be the episode where Theon kills the kids. The following week Ramsey comes along, captures Theon and destroys Winterfell. The very end of the season will be probably be Bran's group emerging from the tomb and Osha decides the safest place is with her people because the kingdoms are too busy fighting each other and they head north. Next season will probably begin with them meeting up with the Reeds at some point (Jojen had a dream). Osha takes Rickon to Skagos and Bran goes with the Reeds to the wall.

The reason I feel the Reeds are important is that they're Bran's protectors since Hodor can't really fight. Osha and Rickon have to go to Skagos because Davos is sent there later to retrieve him in order to assist in the retaking of Winterfell.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Arbitor

For Bran's story line: This week is very likely going to be the episode where Theon kills the kids. The following week Ramsey comes along, captures Theon and destroys Winterfell. The very end of the season will be probably be Bran's group emerging from the tomb and Osha decides the safest place is with her people because the kingdoms are too busy fighting each other and they head north. Next season will probably begin with them meeting up with the Reeds at some point (Jojen had a dream). Osha takes Rickon to Skagos and Bran goes with the Reeds to the wall.

The reason I feel the Reeds are important is that they're Bran's protectors since Hodor can't really fight. Osha and Rickon have to go to Skagos because Davos is sent there later to retrieve him in order to assist in the retaking of Winterfell.

I think Osha replaces the Reeds and she protects Bran.

Also, I don't think them hiding in the crypts will be featured. They'll just escape Winterfell (or already have) and Theon will kill some random kids to hide their escape.

[d_phaneuf]

I am kinda surprised they didn't somehow have the dead kids Theon killed look like it was Bran/Rickon on the tv show for a cliff hanger one episode

[Arbitor]

I was thinking about all the characters coming up in the future. I don't know how this show can go beyond book 3. So many storylines spread throughout the world. All sorts of characters. The cost of CG is also going to go up. It'll be interesting to see what ultimately gets cut.

[bomber317]

Anybody want to throw out an over/under for the next book release?

I'd be pleasantly surprised if it comes out before 2015.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

I am kinda surprised they didn't somehow have the dead kids Theon killed look like it was Bran/Rickon on the tv show for a cliff hanger one episode

They definitely still could do that next episode, I bet it is the ending of the episode actually, with the heads sticking on the spikes, then start next episode with bran and rick on, so you find out right away that they kids were a fake.

[Bobblehead]

Lots and lots of changes.

There are starting to get to be so many story-lines it is difficult to keep them progressing, so I imagine the changes are to keep things moving.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Lots and lots of changes.

There are starting to get to be so many story-lines it is difficult to keep them progressing, so I imagine the changes are to keep things moving.

What I found interesting is how faithful they are at times and yet how some of the storylines veer.

So Xaro and Pyat Pree made a pact to take over the thirteen and rule Qarth?

Where is the story with Tywin going? Will Arya still escape with Gendry at season's end?

Theon's story is playing out reasonably similar.

I am really not a fan of the changes for Jon. I much, much preferred it when he was ordered to stay with the free folk. Now if he stays with them and becomes a traitor he's just a straight up traitor. At least before he was acting under orders.

[d_phaneuf]

that episode may have changed the most from the book that I can remember, I think it will pay off well in the final 3 episodes though

[Bobblehead]

Both Tywin and Cersei are being portrayed MUCH more sympathetically in the show than they are in the books. I like the change for Tywin but I think Cersei acknowledging Joffrey being unbalanced is going to force changes to how Joff's demise is handled.

It would be interesting to know which plot points the writers are going to stay true to, vs where they are willing to stray. I mean I wonder if they have a full plot outline and just know as long as they hit certain points then they are free to stray outside of that.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Both Tywin and Cersei are being portrayed MUCH more sympathetically in the show than they are in the books. I like the change for Tywin but I think Cersei acknowledging Joffrey being unbalanced is going to force changes to how Joff's demise is handled.

It would be interesting to know which plot points the writers are going to stay true to, vs where they are willing to stray. I mean I wonder if they have a full plot outline and just know as long as they hit certain points then they are free to stray outside of that.

Cersei is actually kind of a funny character. She's so blind and stupid but at times is so honest. They definitely made her aknowledge Joff being a POS more herer than in the books. In the books she's always giving Tommen #### for crying and saying how Joff wouldn't do that.

I'm a little disappointed that we haven't seen any of Tyrion's scheming about the upcoming battle.

Also, a while ago I made a prediction based on the TV show about Jorah. At the time I also wasn't sure where his allegiances were in the books either. I've since read in book 3 and/or 4 when he admitted to being in contact with Westeros. Interesting point is that he mentioned that he sent a message from Qarth. I did not remember that from the first time around. I wonder if they'll drop any more hints about him and Varys to set up for the big reveal (Barriston is Arstan and Jorah was a spy) at the end of book 3.

Shouldn't Barriston the Bold be re-introduced soon? Do you suppose they'll have him save the day and get her dragons back? did he not appear after she'd burnt down the house of the undying in book 2?

[Bobblehead]

Yeah, in the books Artisan appears after she has pretty much worn out her welcome in Qarth and has been searching for ships. But there has been so much of a divergence in the Qarth plotline that who knows how it will proceed.

[GreenLantern]

I kind of like the changes. Not saying I think they are the right moves, and I am glad the book is the way it is, but it is cool to see the story develop slightly different than the books.

Getting another perspective on things.. I think the changes are subtle enough to make for great TV without compromising the story line, yet. We will see what happens as the ripples keep travelling outwards.