Stronach crosses the floor

[HOZ]

Originally posted by Winsor_Pilates+May 18 2005, 05:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winsor_Pilates @ May 18 2005, 05:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaptainCrunch@May 17 2005, 10:16 PM
While I'm not for Alberta seperating outright from Canada, I'm really intrigued about Alberta throwing up a firewall to protect itself from a country that dosen't give two craps about it as long as the checks don't bounce.

How do you manage to equate this into an attack on Alberta? What does Belinda switching parties have to do with not caring about Alberta?
What about her constituants in Ontario? should they whine that no one cares about Ontario?

If conservative supporters ever want expand their market beyond the West, stop antagonising the rest of Canada over things that have nothing at all to do with provincial differences. [/b][/quote]
OM Goodness...

You have done this to me and now you are doing it to him. You read half and guess the rest. That is the only way I can see you equating his comments to mean Stonach crossing the floor = attack on Alberta.

Maybe he is bitter and should leave Canada too?

[Reggie Dunlop]

[shoestring]

Too funny Reggie. I might even pay full price for the movie.

[Flame On]

Ahhh just classic. The uturns the hypocrisy. Bellinda can't be opportunistic but Harper can? Hmmm. The Cons are dead it's so funny. They're so lame and have such and undesirable leader it's left to one of their own to point out their climbing into bed with seperatists! Get over the scandals of individuals working for the Liberal party, what have you got in your own party? Dissension, conflicting standards. There may be an election down the road but the chances the Cons get in are now even more remote

[MarchHare]

It's also looking that Harper may have personally led to her decision to defect. Great job by the party's leader. Even Martin was able to get Carolyn Parish to vote with the government after booting her from the party.

A few weeks ago, Stronach was summoned by Harper to his Rockcliffe mansion over comments she had made to The Globe warning against defeating the budget, which would kill money for infrastructure to her Ontario riding of Newmarket-Aurora.

A Tory insider told the newspaper that Stronach was reportedly told she was being frozen out of appearances in election ads.

A report in the Toronto Star suggests the meeting between the two ended in a shouting match, with Harper telling her she would never be the leader of the party.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

[Flame On]

Originally posted by MarchHare@May 18 2005, 08:17 AM
It's also looking that Harper may have personally led to her decision to defect. Great job by the party's leader. Even Martin was able to get Carolyn Parish to vote with the government after booting her from the party.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

Sounds like similarly to Bush he's a uniter not a devider!

[octothorp]

I think this is effectively the end of Harper's leadership--there's no way he's going to be able to win an election now, and even forcing the election might not happen. The party is maxed out in the west, and has probably just lost their best tool for gaining ground in Ontario. He made a tremendous error in chosing to spurn Stronach, at a time when the Conservatives' margin for error was razor thin.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by Bend it like Bourgeois@May 18 2005, 03:06 AM
One of the greatest misconceptions of the left is that corporations don't pay enough tax.

In truth they pay virtually no tax.

A company either passes the tax on to its customers or goes out of business.

I'm not suggesting there be no corporate tax, but you can raise it all you want, all you're doing is raising the taxes we pay as individuals. And corporations don;t give a rats ass what your income bracket is. If they have to add $2 a month to you bank fees to cover the tax they will, whether it's your last $2 or you've got thousands more.

But I only use a very small subset of the entire corporate world. I'd rather they pass the costs down to me for the corporations I do use then subsidize all of them.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally posted by fotze@May 17 2005, 07:11 PM
Why can't there be a party that represents my views and many of those here. Fiscal conservatives whom allow gay marriage, recognizes immigrants are a good thing, doesn't want to invade Iraq on baloney, don't spend 1 bilion dollars on a registry even though I like gun control, don't steal money, don't spend money advertising Canada in Canada. I am more p*ssed at the conservatives over this.

Sign me up for this new RougeFotze ™ party of yours, that's exactly the platform I'd vote for. Looks like there are a few others here too that would. Too bad the major political parties have ignored us.

But who to choose a leader from Fotze or Rouge? And is there a billionaire heiress girlfriend involved?

In exchange for this support, I demand a cabinet position in any future government. I hereby claim the position of Chicks, Cars, and 3rd World Wars.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by I-Hate-Hulse+May 18 2005, 12:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (I-Hate-Hulse @ May 18 2005, 12:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fotze@May 17 2005, 07:11 PM
Why can't there be a party that represents my views and many of those here. Fiscal conservatives whom allow gay marriage, recognizes immigrants are a good thing, doesn't want to invade Iraq on baloney, don't spend 1 bilion dollars on a registry even though I like gun control, don't steal money, don't spend money advertising Canada in Canada. I am more p*ssed at the conservatives over this.

Sign me up for this new RougeFotze ™ party of yours, that's exactly the platform I'd vote for. Looks like there are a few others here too that would. Too bad the major political parties have ignored us.

But who to choose a leader from Fotze or Rouge? And is there a billionaire heiress girlfriend involved?

In exchange for this support, I demand a cabinet position in any future government. I hereby claim the position of Minister of Money & Hot Tubs. [/b][/quote]
Count me in for the new RF Party as well. Id like to be Minister of Trade please....my first action will be to Trade Quebec for Columbia. Id take the profits from the Cocaine cartel and pay off the national debt in a year. Then Id turn around and swap Columbia to the States for Hawaii.

[Mike F]

Originally posted by browna@May 17 2005, 10:49 PM
The Conservatives dealing with the Bloc is playing within the rules of the politics game, pure and simple.

God, that statement is so applicable to so many of the things that have gotten people pulling their hair out over the last couple of months.

The Cons delaing with the Bloq, the Libs dealing with the NDP, budgets being altered, cabinet positions being promised, and even individuals crossing party lines... it's all par or the course in politics.

It was going on long before this Liberal gov't, and it will go on long after. The stakes may be higher right now, but the game is the same.

If the Conservatives form the next gov't, particularly if it's a minority, there's no doubt in my mind that they'll play the same moves the Liberals have played to try to secure their own gov't, and this board wil collapse under a mountain of hypocracy or a mountain of crow being eaten.

[Bertuzzied]

I still don't understand why Calgarians kick themselves in the nuts every election when we give the Reform Party all our votes. Even Edmonton people have better sense. If we want a say in Ottawa it won't be by hoping that the Conservatives win the election(because that would never happen with Harper as a leader), it will only be when we vote a Liberal MP in.

If that happened, he/she would be a guaranteed a cabinent position(unless if it is Dave Bronconnier).

Oh and VOTEOUTANDERS.COM!!

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally posted by Bertuzzied@May 18 2005, 05:53 PM
Oh and VOTEOUTANDERS.COM!!

<sigh>

I tried. Allison Redford was sooo close!!!

</sigh>

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by browna@May 17 2005, 11:49 PM
The Conservatives dealing with the Bloc is playing within the rules of the politics game, pure and simple. T

So how is that any different then the countless other things that people have been complaining about in this thread?

The Convervatives play politics just as much as the Liberals.. the Libs just do it better.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally posted by JohnnyTitan+May 18 2005, 06:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JohnnyTitan @ May 18 2005, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bertuzzied@May 18 2005, 05:53 PM
Oh and VOTEOUTANDERS.COM!!

<sigh>

I tried. Allison Redford was sooo close!!!

</sigh> [/b][/quote]
Was it that close? i thought he won by like 10000 or something crazy like that. I guess my influencing my 15-20 friends and relatives did nothing! hehe. Maybe i should run! Vote for me. I'll free big bert and make Calgary the capitalof Alberta.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally posted by HOZ+May 17 2005, 11:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HOZ @ May 17 2005, 11:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

How do you manage to equate this into an attack on Alberta? What does Belinda switching parties have to do with not caring about Alberta?
What about her constituants in Ontario? should they whine that no one cares about Ontario?

If conservative supporters ever want expand their market beyond the West, stop antagonising the rest of Canada over things that have nothing at all to do with provincial differences.

OM Goodness...

You have done this to me and now you are doing it to him. You read half and guess the rest. That is the only way I can see you equating his comments to mean Stonach crossing the floor = attack on Alberta.

Maybe he is bitter and should leave Canada too? [/b][/quote]
I'm sorry that I've hurt your feelings HOZ by questioning comments made on a post. I thought that's what posts were for. You are free to critique my comments as well.

What half did I not read? Are you referring to the rest of his post that I didn't quote? That's becuase I don't have an issue with the rest of his post. I quote the section that troubles me, and asked him a question about it. Where's the problem.

I equat his comment of saying "Stronach crossing the floor = attack on Alberta" because this is a post about Stronach crossing the floor and he was talking about Alberta getting snuffed by the rest of the country. What else does this equate to?

Anyway. I'm sure Captain can respond himself if he wants, without you coming to his defense because you have a gruge with me over something I said on a different post.

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally posted by Bertuzzied+May 18 2005, 06:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bertuzzied @ May 18 2005, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

<sigh>

I tried. Allison Redford was sooo close!!!

</sigh>

Was it that close? i thought he won by like 10000 or something crazy like that. I guess my influencing my 15-20 friends and relatives did nothing! hehe. Maybe i should run! Vote for me. I'll free big bert and make Calgary the capitalof Alberta. [/b][/quote]
I'm talking about the nomination...not the actual election.

Since the PCs and Alliance "Merged" (ie the PCs were taken over) each riding had to have a nomination...even for incumbant MPs.

Many of the ridings across Canada featured a former PC vs a former Alliance, as was the case in Calgary West.

There was a huge move afoot to un-seat Anders. Allison Redford was a very strong candidate, with great political experience and a working relationship with the ridings MLAs and councillors.

In then end, the better known and 2-term incumbant Anders won by fewer than 250 I believe. So 130 "Swing" voters or an out-right 300 better Redford turnout would have made me a lot prouder to be a Calgary West member.

Boo Anders! (and boo Harper!) ((and boo Zidlicky!!))

[longsuffering]

Originally posted by Captain Crunch+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Captain Crunch)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>What a snake.[/b]

Originally posted by Captain Crunch+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Captain Crunch)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>At least prostitutes have the the ability to say what they are. She dosen't [/b]

Originally posted by Shawnski

In a small
dimlight restaurant
far, far away......

Darth Martin: "Come to the dark side, Belinda!! We will give you a post."

Stronach: "A bedpost?"

Darth Martin: "No, a cabinet post."

Stronach: "Hmmmm. OK, it will have to do.... for now. But Darthy baby, I DO so want that bedpost too. I am soooooo... eager, I guess is the politically correct] word.... lately, as I have been surrounded by small "c" men, err conservatives. I need a big "l" Liberal to fill my void."

Darth Martin: "Well, well. I must say I DO like your, err, 'human resources'... allot, actually.... I do have a trip coming up to the G-spot. I mean G8. You can come along and explore what positions you can have under me now."

Power sluuuutttttttttttttttt.

Originally posted by oilers fan
She can rot in hell

Originally posted by oiler fan
She is just a power hungry BITCH.

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Shut the fata up. Does every political discussion has to get turned into a platform about same sex marriage by homosexual activists and the bleeding heart homohuggers[/quote]

Wow. You gotta love what passes for CPC/Reform 'tolerance'

Can someone explain to me how "snake", "prostitute", "rot in hell", "power slut", "bitch" and my favorite "homohuggers" qualifies as examples of tolerance for different viewpoints, or qualifies as political debate for that matter?

Oh, one last thing. How about this latest betrayal of the CPC?

Tories will now support budget

Is this Harper standing up for his beliefs? It couldn't be pandering could it? He wouldn't claim in an election that he supported the budget would he? Nah, never happen.

[octothorp]

Originally posted by JohnnyTitan@May 18 2005, 11:46 AM


Boo Anders! (and boo Harper!) ((and boo Zidlicky!!))

Ah, the unholy trinity... I hear they get together on dark nights to deface pictures of Nelson Mandala, devour fresh kittens, and make crank calls to gay households, telling them they'll never be truly married.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by longsuffering+May 18 2005, 12:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (longsuffering @ May 18 2005, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

<!--QuoteBegin-snakeeye@
Believe me, I will never consider a gay union to be a marriage.

<!--QuoteBegin-BlackRedGold25
Shut the fata up. Does every political discussion has to get turned into a platform about same sex marriage by homosexual activists and the bleeding heart homohuggers[/quote]

Wow. You gotta love what passes for CPC/Reform 'tolerance'

Can someone explain to me how "snake", "prostitute", "rot in hell", "power slut", "bitch" and my favorite "homohuggers" qualifies as examples of tolerance for different viewpoints, or qualifies as political debate for that matter?

Oh, one last thing. How about this latest betrayal of the CPC?

Tories will now support budget

Is this Harper standing up for his beliefs? It couldn't be pandering could it? He wouldn't claim in an election that he supported the budget would he? Nah, never happen. [/b][/quote]
lol nice one, seems to have touched a nerve.
Homohuggers?
Yeah as long as Bush like yankie-doodle boy, value based preachers try taking it away from that.