Psycho Murdering Medicine Hat Girl attending Mount Royal U right now

[pylon]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

As a believer in "evil", I would run. I do not believe she can be "cured". I am sure she is better at "keeping it on an even keel", but I would not want to cross her.

That would be my feeling. If this type of evil was imprinted on her brain at a young age, something tells me if you crossed her, she would be much more likely to kill you in your sleep, than someone who hasn't done something like this. It takes a special kind of evil to slit your baby brothers throat. I honestly can't believe that type of act is re-habable.

[FireGilbert]

[calgaryblood]

I was just at MRU last week. I cheated death.

[pope04]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I was just at MRU last week. I cheated death.

Great, because you missed JR by about 5 years.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by pope04

Great, because you missed JR by about 5 years.

And you missed the sarcasm.

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by GGG

I look at the thread title and the first few posts and think that CP has come quite a ways in the last 5 years.

Oh please. Some people are just wired wrong and need to be distanced from society for the greater good.

What is with some people on this forum defending this person in question and other murderers, pedophiles and terrorists? Would you let this murderer, Vincent Lee, Omar Khadr or a reformed pedophile live in your spare bedroom among your family? Would you sleep soundly at night with an unlocked bedroom door while any of these so-called reformed individuals lives among you?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Oh please. Some people are just wired wrong and need to be distanced from society for the greater good.

What is with some people on this forum defending this person in question and other murderers, pedophiles and terrorists? Would you let this murderer, Vincent Lee, Omar Khadr or a reformed pedophile live in your spare bedroom among your family? Would you sleep soundly at night with an unlocked bedroom door while any of these so-called reformed individuals lives among you?

I find you can get a really good discount on babysitters if they have a criminal record. Actually, reformed pedophiles will do it for pennies on the dollar, sometimes even for free

[pope04]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

And you missed the sarcasm.

Nope, caught it for sure, just wasn't sure if you realized this thread started in '11.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

As a believer in "evil", I would run. I do not believe she can be "cured". I am sure she is better at "keeping it on an even keel", but I would not want to cross her.

Did you ever have to pay that $10?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Locke

If she was your child.....she'd have killed you.

Would you still hold out hope your child could come back from that?

Simply as a thought experiment - if your child murdered you, would you want every effort made to reintegrate them into society or would you forsake them?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Itse

This whole thread is just an example of how scary and bizarre the American morality is sometimes. And just alien, like, I can't even...

It's seriously this common for people here to think that hey maybe it makes sense to hold a 12-year old responsible for something like this?

I guess I do have a couple of points to add too.

1) They have succesfully rehabilitated child soldiers from the Sierra Leone and Uganda. In comparison I'm pretty sure this girl is an easy case.

2) After WW2 the vast majority of Nazis went on to live relatively uneventful lives. Because fun fact: perfectly normal people can murder others in the right circumstances, and then when those circumstances change, people will generally just stop doing that murdering thing.

I know it's nice to think that people do terrible things because they're evil and somehow fundamentally different kinds of people than you and your friends and family, and that "normal" kids could never do that. Comforting, but not actually true.

During wars people like the Nazis murdered because if they didn't they would be killed themselves, the einsatzgruppen(nazi death squads) were mostly replaced by the camp ovens because many of the soldiers were having mental problems killing innocent civilians with guns. These people weren't perverted crazy murderers doing it for a sic thrill or because they had a voice in their head, they did it out of fear.

[snootchiebootchies]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Would you still hold out hope your child could come back from that?

Simply as a thought experiment - if your child murdered you, would you want every effort made to reintegrate them into society or would you forsake them?

Yes, that was my point with my post. I think most parents (even if from their grave) would hope their child can be rehabilitated, especially someone so young and still very impressionable. Whether or not someone who can kill her 8-year old brother so brutally and then found canoodling with her murdering boyfriend a few hours later can be truly rehabilitated, I have no clue. But if it was my 12 year-old daughter, I would likely want society to show her mercy and make every effort to reintegrate her into society.

I truly hope the best for the girl. But it wouldn't surprise me if a few years down the road I read news that she is in trouble with the law again, kinda like those boys responsible for the Jonesboro massacre.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Did you ever have to pay that $10?

Nobody claimed it.
To the nazi/child soldier point.... completely different scenario. Group dynamics, being press ganged, etc. It's a completely different thing to planning the murder of your parents, manipulating a dimwitted druggie to do it, and then killing your baby brother. If you want to Godwin this, she is not some stormtrooper - she is Himmler.

[HarryH93]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Oh please. Some people are just wired wrong and need to be distanced from society for the greater good.

What is with some people on this forum defending this person in question and other murderers, pedophiles and terrorists? Would you let this murderer, Vincent Lee, Omar Khadr or a reformed pedophile live in your spare bedroom among your family? Would you sleep soundly at night with an unlocked bedroom door while any of these so-called reformed individuals lives among you?

Omar Khadr's lawyer let him stay at his place for a while (not sure if he's still there)

That turned out okay.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Would you still hold out hope your child could come back from that?

Simply as a thought experiment - if your child murdered you, would you want every effort made to reintegrate them into society or would you forsake them?

I'm dead. I find the dead to be notoriously 'laissez-faire' regarding the goings on of the living. I havent had a dead person interfere in my affairs in years.

Could they come back from murdering their family? I dont know, I guess we'll see, I wouldnt turn my back on her though.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Nobody claimed it.
To the nazi/child soldier point.... completely different scenario. Group dynamics, being press ganged, etc. It's a completely different thing to planning the murder of your parents, manipulating a dimwitted druggie to do it, and then killing your baby brother. If you want to Godwin this, she is not some stormtrooper - she is Himmler.

I would have gone with Irma Grese myself.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Itse

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I know it's nice to think that people do terrible things because they're evil and somehow fundamentally different kinds of people than you and your friends and family, and that "normal" kids could never do that. Comforting, but not actually true.

Yes, some people are truly programmed genetically to be evil and cannot be rehabilitated ever. Discomforting, but actually true.

Your point though is very common for those that are willing to push liberal democracy to its limits. When liberal democratic values are applied blindly to everything and everyone (because, in theory and ideal, they should be), you get this: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/20/europe...vik-wins-suit/

When market capitalism values are pushed to the limits blindly, we get Trump and the Tea Party movement.

I firmly believe that this drive to political extremes will tear this world apart and destroy the developed countries eventually.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Yes, some people are truly programmed genetically to be evil and cannot be rehabilitated ever. Discomforting, but actually true.

Why don't we defer to the experts in something like this? They've got their PhD's, they've got their education, their years of training. They've been the ones assessing her for 10 years now. They could have locked her up for all 10 years. Instead they continuously assessed her as a low risk to reoffend and continuously took steps to reintroduce her to society. She's been out in society for 5 years. For nearly a year she's been living alone with no curfew. Her release is a formality at this point.

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Your point though is very common for those that are willing to push liberal democracy to its limits. When liberal democratic values are applied blindly to everything and everyone (because, in theory and ideal, they should be), you get this: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/20/europe...vik-wins-suit/

I'm far from a supporter of all the things happening in Europe and certainly not someone you can label a liberal extremist, but the 'example' you're going to link us is regarding Norway's prison system?

Norway is forcing a prisoner (albeit an incredibly evil individual) to be treated humanely? Oh the...humanity?

Let's also take a look at Norway's prison system as a whole then:
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-n...essful-2014-12

Oh no, that damn liberal democracy pushed to it's limits created a prison system where people are treated incredibly well in prison, yet commit relatively few crimes and repeat offenders are one of the fewest in the world. You're right, Norway's just steps away from starting the apocalypse...

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

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Norway is forcing a prisoner (albeit an incredibly evil individual) to be treated humanely? Oh the...humanity?...

Try googling what his complaints actually were.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Try googling what his complaints actually were.

I know what they are. And I don't really care. Norway's system has shown to work. If it were up to me, Breivik would be flayed daily and forced to eat his own skin, but I know that's a far worse system then Norway has when it comes to a whole. If treating one evil person kindly is the consequence of treating all prisoners with respect increasing rehabilitation rates, is worth it.

And don't get caught up in the fact that he wanted a different Playstation and more games. That's a red herring. The real case the judge cared about was the multiple strip searches, often by female staff, he incurred as humiliation - not security - as well as being woken up every half hour at night, which is torture, regardless of how nice of a bed he has. Same with being isolated for 23 hours a day.