Survivor 23: South Pacific - Pool

[JiriHrdina]

Why did Ozzy give the idol to Cochrane instead of someone he has a more solid alliance with? In fact why didn't Ozzy just take the damn thing with him to RI.

There was nothing smart about anything he did. Particularly since the old lady on redemption isn't going to re-align with the other tribe - so the entire exercise is pointless.

Ozzy is dumb.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why did Ozzy give the idol to Cochrane instead of someone he has a more solid alliance with? In fact why didn't Ozzy just take the damn thing with him to RI.

There was nothing smart about anything he did. Particularly since the old lady on redemption isn't going to re-align with the other tribe - so the entire exercise is pointless.

Ozzy is dumb.

Yup, lets give it to the brainy nerd who has absolutely no reason to support his tribe at all, and who now is pretty much guaranteed to get to the merger even if his tribe loses the next challenge because he can play the idol.

Meanshile Ozzy can worm in on redemption Island as much as he wants, but even if he wins, there's no way that Coach gives up his element of control by allowing Ozzy into a voting alliance with that tribe.

If Cochrane gets through the merge there's no way that he doesn't approach the other tribe as the swing vote especially if its tied at 6 apiece.

To me, suddenly it looks like Cochrance doesn't need to win all that many individual immunities to get to the final three if he plays things smart and shifts his loyalties after the merge.

In fact to gain further control if his tribe loses the next challenge if there isn't a merge, he should just state that he's playing the idol to get it out of the game and ensure his spot.

If Ozzy does return to a merged tribe and asks Cochrane to give back the Idol, Cochrane should just laugh in his face and ask him why he should be loyal when the tribe has been really disloyal to him.

On the other hand as I mentioned before, since the redemption island challenges aren't really physical Ozzy's advantage is neutralized and he could very well lose, and angry chick becomes a major player when she re-enters the game.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why did Ozzy give the idol to Cochrane instead of someone he has a more solid alliance with? In fact why didn't Ozzy just take the damn thing with him to RI.

There was nothing smart about anything he did. Particularly since the old lady on redemption isn't going to re-align with the other tribe - so the entire exercise is pointless.

Ozzy is dumb.

And I love it.

The dumb jock who can win all the immunities outsmarted himself while the sharp witted physically diminutive guy just has to be with it enough to seize his moment.

Once again, Survivor with a great sociological moment.

[CaptainCrunch]

I can see the final three if Ozzy is on the jury

Ozzy crying - "I just want to ask how you could screw me over like that Cochrane, I trusted you with the immunity Idol and you promised to give it back, how could you be so dishonest"

Cochrane in a deep voice - "I altered the bargin, pray I don't alter it again"

[GreenLantern]

I would like to think that Ozzy was trying to gain Cochrane as a solid Ally, he knows that with Keith and Whitney they are tighter than he can be with either of them, Jim trusts him as far as he can throw him and Dawn is fodder.

If he can take Cochrane to the end, who would vote for him?

However I don't think Ozzy is that clever.. something still feels off about all of this though. Almost scripted.

[Aegypticus]

Let me be clear: I have no problem with other people's beliefs, but when they start showing these tools saying things like "Father God" it's moving into the realm of being intellectually insulting. We get it, that tribe is really into God. Move on.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I would like to think that Ozzy was trying to gain Cochrane as a solid Ally, he knows that with Keith and Whitney they are tighter than he can be with either of them, Jim trusts him as far as he can throw him and Dawn is fodder.

If he can take Cochrane to the end, who would vote for him?

However I don't think Ozzy is that clever.. something still feels off about all of this though. Almost scripted.

It depends, if Cochrance uses the idol to get into the merge, and then screws over his own tribe, I'm voting for him.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Finally got around to watching it tonight.

First off, a shame my gal Mikayla is gone. But kudos to Christine for continuing to rule RI, she's been very impressive.

As for the whole religious slant, it is getting out of hand. Do these numbskulls really believe (If a god or jesus existed in the first place) that their god has nothing better to do with his/her time than to somehow dictate how a silly TV game show is determined? Really?

I still can't believe how Coach has gone from basically the laughing stock of reality TV to what we see today. That entire tribe is a mess.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Finally got around to watching it tonight.

First off, a shame my gal Mikayla is gone. But kudos to Christine for continuing to rule RI, she's been very impressive.

As for the whole religious slant, it is getting out of hand. Do these numbskulls really believe (If a god or jesus existed in the first place) that their god has nothing better to do with his/her time than to somehow dictate how a silly TV game show is determined? Really?

I still can't believe how Coach has gone from basically the laughing stock of reality TV to what we see today. That entire tribe is a mess.

Chances are, if there is a god, and you're praying to him to win a stupid reality show contest, that his response would be an erupting volcano under your feet. which would make for outstanding T.V.

[Bagor]

Everything about Ozzy in this game is ego.

Bruised ego resulting in a childish tantrum when Stacey was voted off, now a self proclaimed saviour ego that assumes that Cochrane is going to worship his stupidity even if he does get through RI.

[Cheese]

Don't miss tonites show...things are going to get real interesting now.

[CaptainCrunch]

Spoiler!

Great move by Cochrane, he did give Ozzy the immunity Idol, but it didn't matter as Cochrane turned on his tribe and eliminated a member of his own tribe and dropped the immunity idol out of Ozzie's hands.

Of course the babies come out about how Cochrane was a coward blah blah blah. He didn't owe them anything, and these morons seem to forget that the point of the game is to win, not help your tribe when it doesn't serve you.

[d_phaneuf]

It's a fantastic move by Cochran

he was 6th on their pecking order and Keith had been treating him like crap all season

take the chance with Coach, who in his past seasons has proven to be a very loyal guy

[trackercowe]

Stupid Keith; if you weren't such a major ass, you might still be around.

Go Sophie! Btw I am really liking Coach this season, was not a huge fan of his before, but he has grown on me this season. The God stuff is a tad irritating, but he has become a much better strategist than in the past.

I was astounded at how quickly he figured out Ozzy's failed strategy. It wasn't that tough to figure it out, but he knew every single detail and aspect involved with it. Heck I even liked Brendan this episode, after he was going to "protect" Cochrane from his pissed off tribemates. I hope the three of them, plus Sophie make it to the end.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Ballsy move for sure. But they wanted Cochran out before that, so he didn't really owe them anything. Really makes the show interesting, so I like it.

[JiriHrdina]

Yeah pretty lame that they immediately branded him a coward...how is that a coward move at all? It took plenty of sack for Cochrane to flip knowing the anger he would face.

Here's hoping Ozzy's tribe gets picked off one by one.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

It's a fantastic move by Cochran

I wouldn`t call it a fantastic move... he has less of a chance of winning now. I figure he likely just burned 3-4 jury votes and went from #6 on the pecking order to #7. granted there is lot's of game between now and then but I'd find it hard to see anyone on that tribe giving him a vote except maybe Dawn. All he can really hope for now is that they Pagong Keith, Ozzy, Jim, Whitney and then exploit some fracture in the other tribe and hope that whomever remains with him at the end are either weak players with no gameplay argument (Let's call that the Boston Rob Maneuver) or somehow burned more bridges then him. Tough set of circumstances for him to succeed.

He didn't owe anybody (except maybe Dawn) on his former tribe anything and he told Dawn so it's not like he blindsided her so I see little wrong with doing what he did.

If I were a betting man I'd put money on Albert or Sophie to win it all. They look to be the most likely Dragon Slayer Slayers.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I wouldn`t call it a fantastic move... he has less of a chance of winning now. I figure he likely just burned 3-4 jury votes and went from #6 on the pecking order to #7. granted there is lot's of game between now and then but I'd find it hard to see anyone on that tribe giving him a vote except maybe Dawn. All he can really hope for now is that they Pagong Keith, Ozzy, Jim, Whitney and then exploit some fracture in the other tribe and hope that whomever remains with him at the end are either weak players with no gameplay argument (Let's call that the Boston Rob Maneuver) or somehow burned more bridges then him. Tough set of circumstances for him to succeed.

He didn't owe anybody (except maybe Dawn) on his former tribe anything and he told Dawn so it's not like he blindsided her so I see little wrong with doing what he did.

If I were a betting man I'd put money on Albert or Sophie to win it all. They look to be the most likely Dragon Slayer Slayers.

Realistically it was the only move he could make under the circumstances. Its likely after the move that Ozzie attempted and the fact that Coach amazingly figured it out to the last detail, if Cochrane hadn't flipped he was likely going home next week. He put himself in the position that no matter what he did he pissed off a tribe.

Where he was smart was that he voted party lines on the first vote and flipped on the second. He established that he had power.

If anything, in this game no matter what you do your going to piss off people on the jury, because people on the jury get butt hurt over any slight that they can find. I think people on the jury forget the ground rules of the game.

But for the 3 or 4 people that he has pissed off if he gets to the finals, he has the ultimate weapon in his arsenal. "Ask yourself how you treated me through the first half of the game? Did you actually earn or expect any kind of loyalty to me, oh and Ozzy, remember I did give you back the immunity idol instead of completely screwing you, its not my fault that you wasted it"

The next logical move is for the superior tribe to eat the stupid tribe alive now, then dump Coach.

[GreenLantern]

I agree with Parallex in that Cochrane has a 0.0000001% chance of winning this game. The jury usually starts around 10, so chances are if things keep progressing the way they are, unless someone runs show with the immunity challenges, there will be 4 former Savaii on the jury.

Now, that means if they have 2-3 people stay as the potential winners, that you are facing 7-8 votes, which at least 50% will be the former tribe you back stabbed and pretty much sent to the jury.

My math might be a bit off still hungover from Montreal but you get what I am trying to say..

There is a way to win this game without pissing anyone off, I think so far Coach has done a great job of employing the Boston Rob/Yul strategy where you just let other people blow up and look like idiots, and just try to quietly puppeter it from the shadows.

Everything aside, I think that the former Savaii were outwitted from the start and were destined to fail at the merge, even numbers or not. There are too many great strategy players on the other tribe. Which is going to make things even more interesting once all of the former Savaii are gone.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I agree with Parallex in that Cochrane has a 0.0000001% chance of winning this game. The jury usually starts around 10, so chances are if things keep progressing the way they are, unless someone runs show with the immunity challenges, there will be 4 former Savaii on the jury.

Now, that means if they have 2-3 people stay as the potential winners, that you are facing 7-8 votes, which at least 50% will be the former tribe you back stabbed and pretty much sent to the jury.

My math might be a bit off still hungover from Montreal but you get what I am trying to say..

There is a way to win this game without pissing anyone off, I think so far Coach has done a great job of employing the Boston Rob/Yul strategy where you just let other people blow up and look like idiots, and just try to quietly puppeter it from the shadows.

Everything aside, I think that the former Savaii were outwitted from the start and were destined to fail at the merge, even numbers or not. There are too many great strategy players on the other tribe. Which is going to make things even more interesting once all of the former Savaii are gone.

I don't know, Coach is feeling the love now, but the issue in this game is that eventually he's going to have to backstab at least 4 people to get to the finals.

The smart move right now for coach is to really get Brandan and Cochrane into the final three, because then, yeah, Cochrane becomes the hate magnet for the jury, an even smarter move for coach would be to make Cochrane think he's the mastermind in the alliance and allow him to pick the order of vote outs. Then you can come in front of the jury and say, I played the game with integrity and honor, Cochrane was the mastermind in this.

I just can't stand the jury component of this game because it goes a long way in showing that people don't understand what the game is about. Its not about loyalty and honor, its about screwing people over and shoving them off of a cliff.

We are talking a million bucks here.