The Killing-New AMC Show

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

No one is brain washed. Cable is better than network, it's just a fact. You can do more on cable, there's better actors on cable. There's better writers an better show runners on cable. You think Martin Scorcese would be involved with Boardwalk Empire if it were on ABC? Do you think Game of Thrones would be better on Fox?

Not everything on cable is a home run, the killing is fine, it's not amazing but I'll take it over any of the CSI's or whatever isolated episode murder mystery show on network.

Breaking Bad, Mad men, boardwalk empire, homeland are just better shows than anything network can provide. It's not even close and there is no brain washing.

LOST was a network show with an incredibly talented cast and writing crew (Damon Lindeloff is off to writing the scripts for films like Prometheus).

I would agree that, in general, cable has better broadcasting, but you can still find stuff on networks (from time to time) that is at least as good as, if not better, than many things cable can provide. So I wouldn't go so far as to call it a fact.

[1_Flames_Fan]

I liked the first season although apparently a lot of people didn't. Haven't checked out season 2 premiere yet but I will likely watch it tonight.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

No one is brain washed. Cable is better than network, it's just a fact. You can do more on cable, there's better actors on cable. There's better writers an better show runners on cable. You think Martin Scorcese would be involved with Boardwalk Empire if it were on ABC? Do you think Game of Thrones would be better on Fox?

Not everything on cable is a home run, the killing is fine, it's not amazing but I'll take it over any of the CSI's or whatever isolated episode murder mystery show on network.

Breaking Bad, Mad men, boardwalk empire, homeland are just better shows than anything network can provide. It's not even close and there is no brain washing.

The statement Cable is better than network, Its just a fact. Proves my point. You have just stated that any show that Cable produces is inherently better then a network show. You are not evaluating on a show by show basis.

I would agree that the majority of Cable shows are better than the majority of network shows. You won't here any argument from me about that. But the Killing is not one of those shows. To compare the killing to Breaking Bad, Man Men, Boradwalk empire, and Homeland is insulting to all of those shows. Are you actually implying that the Killing is comparable to all the other fantastic shows you just listed? You have also failed to list many of the one season and done cable shows that don't get renewed.

Red Herring after Red Herring after Red Herring after Cliff Hanger after one episode break to deal with her kid that she that went missing and important after not being involved with the plot for the last Month after Red Herring after Red Herring after Red Herring after solving the mystery... oh wait that was just a Red Herring IS NOT GOOD STORY TELLING. Network or Cable it doesn't matter it is not good story tellings.

It is also not fair to compare and continuing story drama with an eposodic drama. They are completely different forms of story telling.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by GGG

The statement Cable is better than network, Its just a fact. Proves my point. You have just stated that any show that Cable produces is inherently better then a network show. You are not evaluating on a show by show basis.

I would agree that the majority of Cable shows are better than the majority of network shows. You won't here any argument from me about that. But the Killing is not one of those shows. To compare the killing to Breaking Bad, Man Men, Boradwalk empire, and Homeland is insulting to all of those shows. Are you actually implying that the Killing is comparable to all the other fantastic shows you just listed? You have also failed to list many of the one season and done cable shows that don't get renewed.

Red Herring after Red Herring after Red Herring after Cliff Hanger after one episode break to deal with her kid that she that went missing and important after not being involved with the plot for the last Month after Red Herring after Red Herring after Red Herring after solving the mystery... oh wait that was just a Red Herring IS NOT GOOD STORY TELLING. Network or Cable it doesn't matter it is not good story tellings.

It is also not fair to compare and continuing story drama with an eposodic drama. They are completely different forms of story telling.

I clearly stated that not every cable show is a home run and The Killing definitely fits into that category. I do believe that it is better than most if not all of the similar murder mystery type shows on network though. Those CSI/Criminal Minds/Cold Case shows are pretty awful IMO.

Maybe I am a cable snob and I'll own that, but I do give network stuff a fair shake, but the majority of those shows can't come close to some of the great work that is on cable these days. There are exceptions, but nt many.

Not that it is the be all, end all, but all 5 of the Best TV Show Drama nominations at the Globes were cable shows. And 4 of the 6 at last year's Emmys. I know it doesn't mean everything, but I'm of the mind it can't be overlooked either.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

LOST was a network show with an incredibly talented cast and writing crew (Damon Lindeloff is off to writing the scripts for films like Prometheus).

I would agree that, in general, cable has better broadcasting, but you can still find stuff on networks (from time to time) that is at least as good as, if not better, than many things cable can provide. So I wouldn't go so far as to call it a fact.

Okay, not fact, but more often than not. Fair?

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by GGG

The statement Cable is better than network, Its just a fact. Proves my point. You have just stated that any show that Cable produces is inherently better then a network show. You are not evaluating on a show by show basis.

This isn't a facetious question - but what Network drama would you say is better right now than the Killing?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

This isn't a facetious question - but what Network drama would you say is better right now than the Killing?

The off air tone and Rainbow bars are better than The Killing.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

This isn't a facetious question - but what Network drama would you say is better right now than the Killing?

Person of Interest and Fringe are definately better than The Killing despite network insistance on having both episodal and continuing plots. Alcatraz while not great was certainly less frusterating than the killing. Even The Firm while not a good show at least tells a story with reasoable forshadowing and twists.

There is also a lot of good 1/2 hour comedies on right now on network TV that are far superior to the Killing in terms of where you would rather spend your time. 30 rock, Parks, Community, The Office Are all excellent. Not to mention plenty of average shows.

I think my biggest problem with the killing is It wasnt a story it is just a series of Dues ex machina

[Notorious Honey Badger]

I watched the killing last night. I'm only now waking up. What a wonderful deep sleep that was. Thank you AMC!

[Professor Successor]

I liked the first season. Wasn't even that mad by the curious way to end it. But I tried on three separate occasions to watch the second season's premiere last night and only managed to watch small portions. Each time I told myself "it's on a little later, catch it then" and each time I struggled to make it through a second commercial break.

Thought I'd PVR the last broadcast of the night to watch later on this week but I didn't care enough to even do that.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by GGG

Person of Interest and Fringe are definately better than The Killing despite network insistance on having both episodal and continuing plots. Alcatraz while not great was certainly less frusterating than the killing. Even The Firm while not a good show at least tells a story with reasoable forshadowing and twists.

There is also a lot of good 1/2 hour comedies on right now on network TV that are far superior to the Killing in terms of where you would rather spend your time. 30 rock, Parks, Community, The Office Are all excellent. Not to mention plenty of average shows.

I think my biggest problem with the killing is It wasnt a story it is just a series of Dues ex machina

I can respect most of your post, except the Alcatraz portion. The only thing that kept me interested was the fact that it's filmed in my home town. It was ambitious, I'll give Abrams and co. credit for that, but it was plenty dumb as well.

in the debate on network vs cable, I think Cable destroys network for dramas, but I think the fight is a lot closer in comedies. At the same time, there's plenty of cable comedies that don't get the credit they deserve, Shameless being on the top of that list.

[Kybosh]

I honestly don't understand the blinding hate some have for this show. I think that the story is intriguing and the characters are pretty well developed. I don't usually watch crime dramas, but I like this one.

[KTrain]

I enjoy the show and agree with VANFLAMESFAN that even though it's not as good as some of the upper level AMC/cable shows (Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc.) it is still much better than 99% of the network television in the same genre.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I honestly don't understand the blinding hate some have for this show. I think that the story is intriguing and the characters are pretty well developed. I don't usually watch crime dramas, but I like this one.

I agree. I have crazy ADD and even I dont have a problem with them not wrapping it up in a nice package for me at the end of last season. There's plenty monster of the week shows out there with superficial season long story arcs.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Barnes

I agree. I have crazy ADD and even I dont have a problem with them not wrapping it up in a nice package for me at the end of last season. There's plenty monster of the week shows out there with superficial season long story arcs.

i really think people are still so pissed off about last season's finale that they have decided to blindly hate it going forward.

To me, i was a tad frustrated, but I got over it as I'm a firm believer in a show thinking outside of the box and not playing by the rules, no matter how pissed off the public might get.

It's far from a perfect show, but I think it's a pretty solid mystery and I'll have no issue seeing this thru.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

i really think people are still so pissed off about last season's finale that they have decided to blindly hate it going forward.

To me, i was a tad frustrated, but I got over it as I'm a firm believer in a show thinking outside of the box and not playing by the rules, no matter how pissed off the public might get.

It's far from a perfect show, but I think it's a pretty solid mystery and I'll have no issue seeing this thru.

I disagree. It wasnt the not wrapping up of the plot that bothered me. I wasnt planning on watching season 2 after the episode where her kid went missing. The finale bothered me because i wasted three or four hours for the show to be wrapped up.

For me the let down is that the investigation doesnt make sense. They intentionaly lead you down one path and the pull the rug out and start you down on another. The show lacks any kind of forshadowing. It uses red herrings as its sole plot device. It makes Seattle look like an ugly city or a small town in alaska.

The end of season 1 became a focal point of the rage against this show but it wasnt the cliff hanger that was the problem it was that people wanted out of the show and werent given an escape.

[nik-]

How about the cliche factory main character, the constant, quickly dismissed red herrings at the end of multiple episodes, barely functional development of the victim and a soul draining level of boredom from the victims family. The series has one interesting character in Holder. It's not "blind hate", it's a bad show.

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by nik-

How about the cliche factory main character, the constant, quickly dismissed red herrings at the end of multiple episodes, barely functional development of the victim and a soul draining level of boredom from the victims family. The series has one interesting character in Holder. It's not "blind hate", it's a bad show.

How about the fact a supposedly cracker jack homicide cop, tailing another cop she believes is "dirty" didn't bother to bring a camera with her to the super secret meeting (that was held in plain sight) - yet she herself was captured on camera by the mystery person in the bush wearing a hoodie? Or the backpack that was dropped off at the victims house covered in (supposedly) the victims still wet blood.... 14 days after her killing. Or the other druggie cop wearing gloves so as to not contaminate the evidence... smoking over the evidence before casually flicking his butt? Or the mom cop demonstrating perhaps the worst parenting skills ever, keeping her kid from his father despite the fact she fears for his life? Yes junior, I'm scared for you and be careful, but not so scared that I'd rather you got killed than go be with your father and be safe. Or the nutty guy that got the cops gun - because that's very easy to do when you are suspected of murdering your own mother, plus a shooting of a mayoral candidate and city councilman.

The show has many flaws, and few likeable characters.

[Parallex]

Yeesh, lotta hate on about the show. I disgree with the general sentiment, I like the show. I like that it isn't a case of the week crime show, I like seeing the deeper character development, and I like the niorish feel of the show.

I'm not fond of continuing the case beyond season 1, I though the season should have wrapped with catching Rosie's killer and had season two be the next case... I don't want to be teased quite as much as they are teasing but I'm willing to overlook that for one more season.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Here's what confuses me: people who say they hate the show, but have clearly watched every episode.

If you don't like the show, turn off the TV and go hug your kids or something.

Personally, I just discovered this show and I think it's fantastic. A really interesting take on the police procedural, a step away from the formula. I think the main character is flawed, self-obsessed and probably mentally ill, but I do find her compelling. Holder is good too.

I don't know--there's enough stuff on TV that if what you want is plots that get resolved in 44 minutes, you can find that easily enough. For me, this is much better.