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[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

3) Law enforcement is for catching and deterring speeders. Highway drivers driving the speed limit in the left lane on a highway are not.

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id like to see one post from this thread that suggests this as a reasonble course of action?

however, the person speeding and needlessly endarging the lives of my family is not in the right just because i do the smart and safe thing of moving out of the way.

in fact, it is they who are the losers, jersey shore, wannabee's. go ahead cool joe, drive fast! ooooh, like that makes you special, you can drive fast on a highway!

[TurnedTheCorner]

Your family is not in danger when you are not in the way. It's not a matter of being special, cool, better, or anything. If anything, you could probably correctly label it as a feeling of entitlement. People speed every day, without endangering lives or causing issues.

If you're driving the speed limit in the left lane of a highway, you are not a loser. You are also not a better class of person or driver. You're just there. Which is fine, unless you're in the way. In which case, simply get out of the way. No danger. No judgment. No issue. No problem.

And I didn't write point 3 to refute a specific post or reply in the thread. It's just a general principle. Drivers drive. Speeders speed. Law enforcement enforces laws.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by Starfishy

I fear that it is in fact you that do not understand the intent of the law. Slower traffic keep right, and keep right except to pass, are in fact directed towards people going below the speed limit. The intent of those signs is not meant to make it easier for people to speed.

It says "keep right except to pass" Which means, if you are doing 110 in a 110 zone... keep the F right.... Cops, Fire trucks, Ambulances rely on this law. Its also common sense because guess what... people are going to speed regardless if you think it is right or wrong, at least one way you avoid making them swerve in and out of traffic. Plus... its the law.

Im with you on the whole "its not a speeding lane" but its still a lane that is supposed to be only for passing. if you sit in it, your getting my highbeams and/or horn.

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Your family is not in danger when you are not in the way. It's not a matter of being special, cool, better, or anything. If anything, you could probably correctly label it as a feeling of entitlement. People speed every day, without endangering lives or causing issues.

If you're driving the speed limit in the left lane of a highway, you are not a loser. You are also not a better class of person or driver. You're just there. Which is fine, unless you're in the way. In which case, simply get out of the way. No danger. No judgment. No issue. No problem.

And I didn't write point 3 to refute a specific post or reply in the thread. It's just a general principle. Drivers drive. Speeders speed. Law enforcement enforces laws.

its those speeders who come right up to your tailgate because you didnt immediatly move over. even if the traffic to the right is congested.

yes, they are losers and they are endagering lives.

and yes, driving more then the posted limit is endagering others, while else would they have a posted limit?

surely you have also seen those guys how pass in the oncoming lane on those single lane roads. they are also endagering lives, but i guess thats for another thread.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Your family is not in danger when you are not in the way. It's not a matter of being special, cool, better, or anything. If anything, you could probably correctly label it as a feeling of entitlement. People speed every day, without endangering lives or causing issues.

If you're driving the speed limit in the left lane of a highway, you are not a loser. You are also not a better class of person or driver. You're just there. Which is fine, unless you're in the way. In which case, simply get out of the way. No danger. No judgment. No issue. No problem.

This post is unbelievable.

Changing to a lane a few feet to the right is not "out of the way". If the car loses control because of it's rate of speed, everyone on that road is in danger, regardless of which lane they are in.

People drink and drive every day without causing issues, but it still endangers people. Speeding does too.

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

....... Cops, Fire trucks, Ambulances rely on this law. Plus... its the law.

Im with you on the whole "its not a speeding lane" but its still a lane that is supposed to be only for passing. if you sit in it, your getting my highbeams and/or horn.

so why are you in the left lane again?

[TurnedTheCorner]

Speeding is always breaking the law. It is not always endangering lives.

jake, I was concerned for your well-being since I hadn't seen you post in this thread today. I trust you survived your day without driving due to your condition? Or perhaps DST allowed you to get more done in the car today before nightfall and your photo sensitivity prevented you from doing so?

[Jake]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Speeding is always breaking the law. It is not always endangering lives.

jake, I was concerned for your well-being since I hadn't seen you post in this thread today. I trust you survived your day without driving due to your condition? Or perhaps DST allowed you to get more done in the car today before nightfall and your photo sensitivity prevented you from doing so?

Needed an edit to get your "joke" right?

[TurnedTheCorner]

I don't find anything funny about your personal safety and well being.

[pylon]

I think CP has the largest collection of the best drivers in the universe, in the history of ever. Of course being the benchmark, that makes me the best of the bestest.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

So automakers include high beams so you can flash other drivers, and not so that you can see better on a highway when you're traveling by yourself with no other cars around? Are you guys sure?

I am surprised nobody responded to this.

Yes, both of my cars (2003 and 2011) both have two different settings for the high beams. Push the lever forward to turn the beams on for use on a dark highway. Pull the lever towards you to flash your beams.

(Edit- OK, finally saw it on page 8.)

[Jake]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I am surprised nobody responded to this.

Yes, both of my cars (2003 and 2011) both have two different settings for the high beams. Push the lever forward to turn the beams on for use on a dark highway. Pull the lever towards you to flash your beams.

Clearly people have different perceptions of this based on their own vehicle. It varies between manufacturers, which to me means the right answer to the argument is somewhere in between the two sides in this thread. Some manufacturer's clearly do intend for the driver to make use of high beams as a signal, while others do not.

[theg69]

This is a very intriguing thread.....
But obviously it is going nowhere fast.

Couple of thoughts:
- Flashing your highbeam at someone in front of you serves as a warning, its only dangerous if you leave it on. I move out of the way if someone highbeams me from behind.
- I drive between Cgy and Edm several times a month, so I can sympathize with the people caught behind the slow drivers in the left lane. Irregardless of speed, people should learn to look at their rearview mirror and change to the R lane (safety permitting) if they see that the car behind them is going faster than them. It's called being aware. I find that the people who don't change lanes are usually distracted drivers (another topic altogether) and are not paying attention. Hell, if I high beamed them, they wouldn't havae noticed anything altogether.
- I know there is a lot of discussion re: speed and the speed limit, but my food for thought for those who are so stringent on speed limits is to do some research and realize that the German Authobahn with one of the highest average speeds is actually one of the safest highways in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Autobahnen). The biggest danger is the difference in speeds of the vehicles on a highway I find (ie someone going 10-20 under and then someone going 20-30 over). Again, my suggestion is to be aware of where you are in the road and get out of the way when you can (so, NO cell phones, NO texting, or anything that is distracting you from driving).

Lastly, there should be a get together for everyone in this discussion.... and have a road trip at night, driving from say calgary to edmonton, man, judging by the varying attitudes, it would be one hell of a trip! LMAO

[pylon]

European manufacturers specifically german, have them set up in a specific manner for flash to pass use. For example, my GTI, has bi-xenon lights. The hi and low beam are differentiated by the level of a shutter mechanism to re-aim the lights determining if they are high or low beam. When you push the lever forward, it re-aims the bulb. The passing lights, are a separate halogen HIGH BEAM bulb next to the xenon bulb, that only trigger when you pull the stock towards you. The reason they are designed this way, is so that if your headlights are on, you are not toggling between xenon high and low beams. So if your high beams are on, it is essentially double high beams when you flash. If your low beams are are, it is low + high. They are even labelled passing lights in the owners manual.

This is as specific design, because if you are doing 250 KPH on an autobahn or autostrada, you can signal a driver ahead of you well in advance, or if you are on their tail. People coming the other way in Germany or Italy, whatever euro country you want to choose, seem to be ok with people flashing their lights on highways, and aren't blinded and suffering detached retinas and brain stems, all when they have what is closing speeds of over 500 kph in some cases. Don't see why this is such an issue on our LOL 100 kph highway system. You will find some of the best civilian drivers on the planet in germany, driving cars that embarrass what we drive here, and they have some of the safest highways on the planet, and flash to pass is perfectly legal.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Jake

Clearly people have different perceptions of this based on their own vehicle. It varies between manufacturers, which to me means the right answer to the argument is somewhere in between the two sides in this thread. Some manufacturer's clearly do intend for the driver to make use of high beams as a signal, while others do not.

I've driven a Ford, a Chev, and a Toyota, and they've all had a "flash" mode that was different from the full high-beam mode. I'd be curious to know which manufacturers don't have this.

[REDVAN]

I have nothing much to add that hasn't been said already, other than every time there is a driving thread, I am reminded how many absolute ######s there are in the public...

Oh, and GTF outta my way!

[getbak]

Out of curiosity, I Googled "car manuals", which returned this link from Edmunds: http://www.edmunds.com/how-to/how-to...al-online.html


Most of the manufacturers require a login to access their manuals, but Ford and Nissan don't, so I pulled up the manual for the Escape and the Versa, both run-of-the-mill vehicles from their model lines...

2011 Ford Escape: http://www.motorcraftservice.com/pub.../11204og3e.pdf

Page 55, Under the "Lights" category:

Flash-to-pass
Pull toward you slightly to activate and release to deactivate.

2010 Nissan Versa: http://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam...ssan-Versa.pdf

Page 2-21:

Headlight beam select
1 To select the high beam function, push the lever forward. The high beam lights come on and the light illuminates.
2 Pull the lever back to select the low beam.
3 Pulling and releasing the lever flashes the headlight high beams on and off.

[HOOT]

In Alberta, the Traffic Safety Act, Regulation AR 304/2002 has provisions for the operation of traffic along multi-lane highways. Under the Act, drivers are required to use the outside lanes if they travel less than the normal speed of the traffic on the highway at that time and place and under the conditions. The inside or centre lane accommodates overtaking manoeuvers.

In Alberta, the regulatory Slower Traffic Keep Right sign was adopted for this purpose. The sign alerts and advises slowmoving traffic to drive in the right-hand lane and allow vehicles travelling at higher speeds to pass.

Notice it doesn't even talk about speeding or going the speed limit. They leave it up to drivers to use their common sense when driving to allow faster vehicles, speeding or not, to pass others. Let the cops catch the speeders, you are endangering yourself, the people in your car and others on the highway by trying to prove a point by blocking the faster car.

Just sayin'...

[pylon]

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I have nothing more to contribute, but I left my iPad on my bed for 5 minutes, and came back in and my dog was laying on it playing with her chew toy. It seems as if she is trying to tell everyone she wants a drink of water, then some sleep, then some Quizno's?

First dog to contribute to CP ever.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Jake

Good for those other countries, that is not a good argument to support it. It's also illegal in several US states and Ontario. I'll try to teach my mirrors to stop reflecting light.

It's not illegal in Ontario. You should try reading the laws in Ontario a little better.