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Old 12-31-2025, 10:09 AM   #17921
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Hemming, Bischel, 2027 1st I think are the main pieces Sandman is referring to.
Bischel is on IR though, and is scheduled to be on IR for about another 2-4 weeks... I'm pretty sure you can't trade people who are on IR, correct?
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:16 AM   #17922
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Bischel is on IR though, and is scheduled to be on IR for about another 2-4 weeks... I'm pretty sure you can't trade people who are on IR, correct?
Correct. Also they don’t have the cap space for both without retention and some money coming back. Gotta think Lybushkin would be sent our way
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:16 AM   #17923
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Bischel is on IR though, and is scheduled to be on IR for about another 2-4 weeks... I'm pretty sure you can't trade people who are on IR, correct?
Why? Guys get traded when they are on LTIR all the time so why would IR stop a deal?
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:19 AM   #17924
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What does Dallas have to land both Andersson and Coleman though.

I feel like they don't have the assets for both
Would take 2027 and 2029 1st round picks, Bischel, plus Schmidt and/or Hemming.

They have the cap space this year if we retain on both.

Blockbuster for sure but seems way too "all in" for Stars. Would completely empty the cupboards for Stars for next few years.
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:31 AM   #17925
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Why? Guys get traded when they are on LTIR all the time so why would IR stop a deal?
Ya there ain’t no rule preventing players from getting traded when they are on IR or LTIR.
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:33 AM   #17926
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I don't think there is an 'anti-tank' crowd.


I have been very vocal for a rebuild now for a long time. What I disagree with is posts that try to say that the Flames are not currently in a rebuild, as well as posts wanting to trade-out Andersson, Kadri and Coleman ASAP in order to tank 'properly'.


It seems like a good 95% (if not more) understand that a rebuild is happening. The main bone of contention seems to be from a very small handful of posters continually stating (and demanding) that until Andersson AND Kadri AND Coleman get traded NOW, the Flames are screwing this up, while completely ignoring facts like contenders who want to add those players haven't yet accrued enough cap space, while also ignoring that the Flames are only a few points from last place in the league.


Just show a little patience. Those bad teams are going to win their share of games still. There is no need to panic, and fill up every thread with this panic about still holding onto those three players, and complaining LOUDLY after every single win. It is tedious to read (or skip) through so many of these posts daily.


I trust that Conroy knows that these 3 players aren't part of the future here in Calgary, and that they do hold value, and that they are all likely traded out this season. I would be shocked if the Flames don't end up comfortably in the bottom 3 of the standings when the season ends. I really don't see the need to panic about it. I will panic about it when the trade deadline passes and there aren't moves made, and the Flames are in the mushy middle at that time.
Ya there is no anti tank crowd. There is a “we are currently rebuilding” crowd and then a crowd that does not think any of the moves that Conroy has made indicate a rebuild but rather indicate that he is retooling and trying to win. That is the breakdown.
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:33 AM   #17927
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Hell, Shea Weber's been traded more times on LTIR than he was when he played.
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:36 AM   #17928
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Huh, you learn something new every day. I thought players on IR couldn't be traded, but then I remember that players like Price, Hossa and Weber were.
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:36 AM   #17929
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Careful guys, probably shouldn’t share an opinion on here that is pro tank.

Glad to see many others support leaning into this season. Let San Jose or Utah chase WC2
The thing about posters like Mr Coffee is that they’re game to disagree and be disagreed with and actually share opinions that are interesting and worth discussing, instead of just repeating the same thing over and over and over and doing annoying things like whining after wins.

It’s a good approach to try out for anyone who has developed a victim complex and think the “anti tank” crowd is after them (lol) because people have the nerve to disagree or call annoying behaviour like whining after wins what it is. Should make that fade pretty quick when you realize the problem isn’t everyone else.

I’ll be happy regardless of whether the Flames are in the hunt for the wildcard or running out the clock on the season with a guaranteed look at a top 5 pick. Hockey’s hockey, and none of us control the outcome, but we all want the same thing in the end.
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:49 AM   #17930
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Hell, Shea Weber's been traded more times on LTIR than he was when he played.
Carey Price was also (somewhat) recently traded to San Jose.
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:57 AM   #17931
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Bischel is on IR though, and is scheduled to be on IR for about another 2-4 weeks... I'm pretty sure you can't trade people who are on IR, correct?
I just got back from the future. Flames trade Coleman for Bischel on Jan. 18 It looks as though there was a handshake agreement at around the same time as the Andersson trade went through.
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Old 12-31-2025, 10:58 AM   #17932
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Am I alone in hoping that we use Dallas to drive up the price sending Ras to another team that can send us something juicier back?

I have zero excitement about anything Dallas has other than that 27 1st.

Hasn't CC said that he ideally wants a young RS centre coming back?
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Old 12-31-2025, 11:00 AM   #17933
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Hasn't CC said that he ideally wants a young RS centre coming back?
Opinions are mixed on him, but thats Mavrik Bourque.

If Coleman * and * Andersson are headed there, he should be one of the pieces coming back IMO.
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Opinions are mixed on him, but thats Mavrik Bourque.
To Calgary: 27 1st, Mavrik, Bischel, Lybushkin

To Dallas: Ras and Coleman

Something like that? Maybe another one of the kids Sandman mentioned as the 'sweetener?'

I still think average fans will have a hard time understanding trading our top scorer and defence for so little immediate help coming back.
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Old 12-31-2025, 11:05 AM   #17935
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Ya there is no anti tank crowd. There is a “we are currently rebuilding” crowd and then a crowd that does not think any of the moves that Conroy has made indicate a rebuild but rather indicate that he is retooling and trying to win. That is the breakdown.
It’s not so much the conclusions people are making - it’s the knee jerk reactions to a win, or an off the cuff statement, or a third party hearsay report, or the explaining away of things that have actually happened that I tend to push back against. Or the false assumptions that is A happens then surely B must follow, since that’s happened in at least 30% of cases with other teams.
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Old 12-31-2025, 11:20 AM   #17936
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I am only trading with Dallas if they are the only option left. They disposed of all their good assets with the Rantanen trade. They can have Coleman at 50% for their 2027 1st and a prospect, but if they truly want Andersson in the return then they best be adding another 1st and Bichsel.
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Old 12-31-2025, 11:20 AM   #17937
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I don't understand getting frustrated if people react a certain way though. Some people outside of this site as well are very much hoping for a tank, and are disappointed in the sudden hot streak the Flames have been on since the Maloney comments.

It doesn't mean you have to agree with people who want to tank. But there are a lot of fans who do want to draft in the top 5 and draft a game changer, rather than trying to sneak in for a likely short playoff run.

There are also a lot of people who just want to make the playoffs, and don't want to cheer for losses.

It is fine to have either opinion, neither makes you less of a fan. We all want the same thing at the end of the day, to win the cup.
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Old 12-31-2025, 11:29 AM   #17938
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Don't much like Dallas as a futures only option.

Not keen on Bischel. Not too keen on Bourque.

Maybe a hockey trade with Dallas but even then, you're looking at upping what's going out Calgary door to maybe land (it's impossible, I wouldnt expect it) a Wyatt Johnston. I repeat, Johnston isn't happening in my opinion.

There has to be better rentals options for CGY for Rasmus Andersson than the wares Dallas is trying to hauk our way.

Edit: maybe the Jason Robertson thing is alive and kicking. Who knows.
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Old 12-31-2025, 11:35 AM   #17939
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Ya there is no anti tank crowd. There is a “we are currently rebuilding” crowd and then a crowd that does not think any of the moves that Conroy has made indicate a rebuild but rather indicate that he is retooling and trying to win. That is the breakdown.
Not the case at all.

There is the group that wants the team to draft top 5 in order to land the game changing piece that teams typically need to get in order to build a consistent contender. When they got off to a terrible start it was the chance to lean in. It remains to be seen what they will do. No one is denying the pending UFA who they can’t reach an agreement with will be traded but will they trade the coveted 34-35 year olds or will they hold onto them in efforts to compete for a playoff spot?

There is the group who feel the flames are doing everything correctly during the rebuild and others that want them to lean into selling off more and prioritizing a high pick.

I remain on the fence if the flames will move the 3 vets and pick in the top 5 or just trade Andersson and have their pick slip out of the top 5 or even top 10.
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I just got back from the future. Flames trade Coleman for Bischel on Jan. 18 It looks as though there was a handshake agreement at around the same time as the Andersson trade went through.
A time travelling buzzard. Who knew?
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