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Vulcan · 03-17-2014, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoreface

I think it had more to do with not getting enough value for Iginla and especially Bouwmeester. He liked the drafting, for the most part.

Burke mentioned three things when he fired Feaster. Two of them were the trades and drafting. I can't remember the third.

PeteMoss · 03-17-2014, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Prepare to shake your head at Burke. If he thought our prospects were all that hot he wouldn't have turfed Feaster and Weisbrod.

Also, in the past Burke has traded a top-line winger, a 2nd, and 3rd to move up from 6th overall to 2nd overall. When he sees a piece he wants, he goes out and gets it.

Didn't trade any prospects in the original Pronger trade (Whalers) or the Sedin trade. He did trade future picks though.

Scoreface · 03-17-2014, 08:57 PM

Truculence?? No, I don't recall the third part either. Didn't know there was three parts TBO. The only part I remember is trade value lost. Maybe someone else can chime in here. Anyway, they are gone and now we wait to see what BB does with Feaster's legacy and his own moves going forward or a combination. I think it will be a bit telling of his own valuation of prospects but you also have to consider perceived value coming back.

Enoch Root · 03-17-2014, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

If you can go from 5 to 1 by giving up Gaudreau you 100% do it and the team being 1 would be crazy to take that

someone posted this awhile ago

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...lue-trading-up

it's essentially trading two 5th overall picks for 1st overall, Gaudreau would not go 5th overall in this draft, college players are like overaged CHL players

you can 'really like' a player, but it's just a value thing, you come out with more value on that deal way over 50% of the time, it's eV is insanely high

Justin Schultz was supposed to be an immediate PP weapon and top pairing d man, he's a liability

Did you seriously just suggest that NCAA prospects are like over-aged CHLers because of Schultz?

Gaudreau has the highest NHLE of all prospects - by a large margin. He is also NHL-ready, or close to it. He is worth more than a #5 overall this year (Drasaitl or thereabouts)

But regardless, I would much rather have Gaudreau and Drasaitl (or whoever) than Ekblad (and I want Ekblad)

Enoch Root · 03-17-2014, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

I shake my head at people that would rather keep all our undersized prospects, because they are in the flames system, rather than trying to trade one or 2 for a big prospect.

I almost hope we keep all our prospects just to see CP realize how small of a team they might have in a couple of years. Throw in the " i want Cammi to re-sign" and the " I love hudler" groups and I have no doubt it will be the smallest team in the NHL.

Yes, because wanting to keep Gaudreau means also wanting to keep all small prospects and re-sign Cammy.

Solid argument there

Vulcan · 03-17-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, because wanting to keep Gaudreau means also wanting to keep all small prospects and re-sign Cammy.

Solid argument there

In my world two of Gaudreau, Hudler, Cammallari and Sven need to go. Hopefully for a big, solid defenceman.

H2SO4(aq) · 03-17-2014, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

In my world two of Gaudreau, Hudler, Cammallari and Sven need to go. Hopefully for a big, solid defenceman.

I agree, but I really hope when all is said and done we pick the right two.

kyuss275 · 03-17-2014, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, because wanting to keep Gaudreau means also wanting to keep all small prospects and re-sign Cammy.

Solid argument there

I said in another post I didn't want to trade Gaudreau. I'm talking about the overall collection of the prospects the flames have. Granted if you want to keep your head in the sand and think the flames are fine overall with the size of our prospects go right ahead.

Enoch Root · 03-17-2014, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

I said in another post I didn't want to trade Gaudreau. I'm talking about the overall collection of the prospects the flames have. Granted if you want to keep your head in the sand and think the flames are fine overall with the size of our prospects go right ahead.

Again, wanting to keep Gaudreau does not mean wanting to keep all small players. Your argument is obtuse.

Enoch Root · 03-17-2014, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

In my world two of Gaudreau, Hudler, Cammallari and Sven need to go. Hopefully for a big, solid defenceman.

Yes, but Gaudreau is last on that list, IMO

kyuss275 · 03-17-2014, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Again, wanting to keep Gaudreau does not mean wanting to keep all small players. Your argument is obtuse.

If you follow the posters that don't want to trade our higher end smaller prospects , keep the Cammi's, the Hudlers you will see many of the same posters names come up time and again. I don't think some of our posters look at the overall picture.

I will let the " obtuse" comment slide this time.

Mattman · 03-17-2014, 09:35 PM

Why get rid of Gaudreau so soon!?! Sven, Hudler, Cammy yes but Johnny Hockey hasn't even shown anyone what he's capable of in the NHL and it looks promising

Ashasx · 03-17-2014, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattman

Why get rid of Gaudreau so soon!?! Sven, Hudler, Cammy yes but Johnny Hockey hasn't even shown anyone what he's capable of in the NHL and it looks promising

Why get rid of Gaudreau so soon yet you have no problem getting rid of Baertschi, when they were picked in the same draft?

Gaskal · 03-17-2014, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Why get rid of Gaudreau so soon yet you have no problem getting rid of Baertschi, when they were picked in the same draft?

Enoch Root · 03-17-2014, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

If you follow the posters that don't want to trade our higher end smaller prospects , keep the Cammi's, the Hudlers you will see many of the same posters names come up time and again. I don't think some of our posters look at the overall picture.

I will let the " obtuse" comment slide this time.

Since you're being so generous, I'll ignore the 'head in the sand' comment that preceded it

PeteMoss · 03-17-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

In my world two of Gaudreau, Hudler, Cammallari and Sven need to go. Hopefully for a big, solid defenceman.

Cammy is likely gone after this year. Hudler has two years left. Not really something to worry about right now.

Mattman · 03-17-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Why get rid of Gaudreau so soon yet you have no problem getting rid of Baertschi, when they were picked in the same draft?

Richards, Ribero and Markov were taken after Fata in the '98 draft...

Draft year has nothing to do with it. Maybe Johnny will be worse than Baertschi but maybe not. We have no idea.

All I'm saying is Baertschi has an NHL price right now as where Johnny's is kinda shady

schteve_d · 03-17-2014, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I would do Gaudreau for Reinhart or Ekblad,

Wow, you want one of those two pretty bad.

I don't know if I'd even give him a handy for one of them.

sun · 03-17-2014, 09:59 PM

Trading Gaudreau at this point after watching him in college the past three years would be a MAJOR cocktease.

Scoreface · 03-17-2014, 10:53 PM

And when you're talking about trading for a top pick you always have ceiling at the top of your mind. Sven hasn't nearly reached it and Gaudreau hasn't played a pro game yet. Ceiling now is in mind and likelihood to reach it. You don't deal guys who haven't reached anywhere near that, unless you have a strong inclination they won't get to that peak.

I honestly feel Burke doesn't quite know what he has in Sven, but thinks highly of him. Just a hunch. People draw similarities to his treatment of Kadri, and I see that too. Gaudreau is a complete wildcard, who has all the tools inside a small toolbox to possibly be a true elite game breaker whom is just to valuable to give up at this point, as he has only scratched the surface. I think Burke wants is itching to see what he can do at the pro level, which is very commendable to both parties. Burke is pretty stringent and has perhaps less leniency toward small players than some other GM's, so he likely thinks he may have someone real special on his hands.

I'm excited to see how this plays out. With Sven and Johnny Hockey. I think these two guys are going to be front and center next year due to their boom/bust potential in the pro ranks. Jankowski to a lesser extent somewhat, only because he's not playing pro, yet it'll be a huge year for his development.

This is an exciting time. It's a pretty key cog in the Flames' future.