Rob Ford Transgressions Thread

[smoothpops]

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/MetroManTO/status/449228613963878400

this guy (metromanto) has been more wrong than right in the past, but he's making a lot of claims to have credible sources. Personally i think he's a twitter troll, but i'm not super familiar with him or twitter.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Exactly. I mentioned when Chow was thinking about throwing her hat in the ring I hoped she wouldn't cause it's just going to split the vote.

If anything, Chow is likely to be the beneficiary of vote-splitting. Right now, there are four right-of-center contenders (Ford, Tory, Stintz, Soknacki) whereas Chow has the left end of the spectrum pretty much to herself. If there is any vote-splitting, it will be amongst conservative voters who don't want to re-elect Ford (i.e. Tory, Soknacki, and Spitz supporters, assuming none of them drop out of the race).

[MoneyGuy]

I'll tell you two reasons why Ford MAY win this election. He's a moron, but he's seen as the fiscal conservative; the voters want that. Secondly, when his council severely restricted his powers, many people thought they went to far and he drew a lot of sympathy. Don't count Ford out.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by smoothpops

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/MetroManTO/status/449228613963878400

this guy (metromanto) has been more wrong than right in the past, but he's making a lot of claims to have credible sources. Personally i think he's a twitter troll, but i'm not super familiar with him or twitter.

We'll see, I'm interested in seeing what the arrest is since there's been a personal war going on between the Toronto Police Chief and Ford.

[smoothpops]

i think im going to withdraw that previous post, as i'm now pretty certain that guy is just a twitter troll seeking attention. sorry for feeding the trolls

https://twitter.com/MetroManTO/statu...27937010855936

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

If anything, Chow is likely to be the beneficiary of vote-splitting. Right now, there are four right-of-center contenders (Ford, Tory, Stintz, Soknacki) whereas Chow has the left end of the spectrum pretty much to herself. If there is any vote-splitting, it will be amongst conservative voters who don't want to re-elect Ford (i.e. Tory, Soknacki, and Spitz supporters, assuming none of them drop out of the race).

Hmmm, guess I don't know the candidates well enough (except for Ford and Chow) thought a few of the others were left of Ford. I'll take your word for it as I haven't read too much about the others.

[CaptainCrunch]

They're all left of Ford.

[smoothpops]

Doug Ford seems to have been suspended from twitter.sort of a shame, because he was totally uncensored unintentional comedy gold. for example, after the oscars he tweeted that rob ford working at city is like being in 12 years a slave, or that he (doug) was told that he was the future of the Conservative Party.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

They're all left of Ford.

See that's the impression I was under.

[MarchHare]

John Tory is a former leader of the Ontario PC Party.

Karen Stintz was once part of Rob Ford's inner circle and has said, "I believe in the fiscal agenda of Rob Ford, but I worry that another four years of Rob Ford may not move the city forward." Source.

David Soknacki is a businessman and former conservative councillor and is campaigning for voters who want a "right-leaning alternative to Rob Ford". Source.

So at least among the current candidates, Chow stands alone on the left, with the other four being firmly on the right or centre-right.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

John Tory is a former leader of the Ontario PC Party.

Karen Stintz was once part of Rob Ford's inner circle and has said, "I believe in the fiscal agenda of Rob Ford, but I worry that another four years of Rob Ford may not move the city forward." Source.

David Soknacki is a businessman and former conservative councillor and is campaigning for voters who want a "right-leaning alternative to Rob Ford". Source.

So at least among the current candidates, Chow stands alone on the left, with the other four being firmly on the right or centre-right.

Yeah, I guess this example is why I have a little bit of a problem with a left-right scale. It can be taken so many ways. You are defining it more in absolutes, this person is right, this person is left, etc., while I'm defining it more in context, this person is left of this person, this person is right of this person.

So I guess really both scenarios could happen. One or more of the candidates might split Ford's right vote as there are more on the 'right' side, but one or more could split those who were planning on voting left of Ford's camp, as all the rest are left of Ford, even if some of them fall right. It's all in how you look at it.

As the incumbent though, regardless of right or left, I would be less worried about vote splitting. I would think vote splitting often affects challengers more. Now this is a bit of a unique situation, a very loaded election, but generally I would think a vote split would affect a incumbent less than their challengers, especially in a mayoral race.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Yeah, I guess this example is why I have a little bit of a problem with a left-right scale. It can be taken so many ways. You are defining it more in absolutes, this person is right, this person is left, etc., while I'm defining it more in context, this person is left of this person, this person is right of this person.

I'm not "defining" anything. I'm only repeating how each of the candidates have labelled themselves. Tory, Stintz, and Soknacki are all self-described conservatives (even saying they will continue Rob Ford's agenda but without his personal failings) whereas Chow is obviously a far-left socialist.

So voters who support the low taxes, anti- "gravy train" agenda of Ford have four different choices (including Ford himself) whereas voters on the opposite end of the spectrum really only have Chow.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Chow is obviously a far-left socialist.

Like Chairman Mao.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by troutman

Like Chairman Mao.

I thought about appending "by Canadian standards", but assumed, incorrectly it would seem, that everyone would know it was implied.

[Ark2]

Tory tries to appeal to voters as being a conservative, but his disastrous term as PC leader not-withstanding, the guy is really more of a liberal than a conservative. He had a radio talk show before this mayoral campaign and this point was really evident when he was on the air.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I give Rob at worst 50/50 odds of getting re-elected. His base will never give a #### about anything except their taxes. Rob can do everything short of being in jail, and even then depending on the charge his base might still support him. They don't care that he's a total embarrassment, they'd rather have him smoking crack and being fall down drunk 24/7 than Olivia Chow being clean as a whistle but raising their taxes 1%.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I give Rob at worst 50/50 odds of getting re-elected. His base will never give a #### about anything except their taxes. Rob can do everything short of being in jail, and even then depending on the charge his base might still support him. They don't care that he's a total embarrassment, they'd rather have him smoking crack and being fall down drunk 24/7 than Olivia Chow being clean as a whistle but raising their taxes 1%.

It isn't that the Ford voters only care about taxes, it's that they care about different things than you do.

The issue for all of the candidates who want suburban votes, is to demonstrate how they would go about balancing the civic budget. Should Chow come up with a tangible plan, she runs away with this race.

[oilyfan]

So Carlson - you say that the Ford supporters care about taxes and a balanced budget. And they will support a candidate who will do this, (which sometimes are competing interests, in that you might have to raise taxes to get a balanced budget), even through he demonstrates poor judgement in literally everything else in his life.

This doesn't say much about the suburban voters

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

It isn't that the Ford voters only care about taxes, it's that they care about different things than you do.

The issue for all of the candidates who want suburban votes, is to demonstrate how they would go about balancing the civic budget. Should Chow come up with a tangible plan, she runs away with this race.

Balancing the budget is easy if you raise taxes, that's not the budgeting that the suburban vote wants.

[albertGQ]

My brother was at the Jays home opener last night. Said Rob Ford was there and he was wasted and sweating like a pig.

Sorry no pics or video to back this up. Just hearsay!