Tiger Woods "Transgressions" Thread - Golfin' Ain't Easy

[Erick Estrada]

Bottom line is that nobody got hurt. I don't claim to know if he had a reaction to medication or simply took too much pain killers. It's a little different than say a guy that's been boozing it up all evening and decides he's going to go for a drive. Really hard to know what was going through his mind and what the medication did for his decision making. I'm not saying he should be excused for being impaired behind the wheel but society loves to see celebrities crash and burn and I don't feel we need to rake him over the coals for this as he made a mistake and fortunately the police could intervene before any harm could be done to anyone.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

But he wasn't driving. He was at least bring partially responsible. I'm not trying to completely absolve him but the car wasn't on and instead of putting people at risk by driving, he decided to sleep it off. The only person to get dinged for his bad decision was him

The car was on. It was running and parked on the side of the road and Tiger didn't even know where he was when woken up. He was extremely lucky he didn't hurt anyone. He deserves some sort of punishment, what he did was extremely dangerous.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You can't say he wasn't driving. His signal light was on and he has his brake light on and the car was ruining

I'll admit, I wasn't aware of this part. Makes it worse for sure

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Even still, DUIs for sleeping in a stationary car are seriously stupid

A few weeks ago, I was at a friend's wedding. I had a few drinks, but I wasn't getting a hotel room and didn't want to crash at anyone's house.

I got in the passenger seat of my car, put my keys in my glovebox, and slept in the parking lot for a few hours. As stupid as it is to give people DUIs for being stationary, it's not that difficult to pull over and cover your own ass.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

But he wasn't driving. He was at least bring partially responsible. I'm not trying to completely absolve him but the car wasn't on and instead of putting people at risk by driving, he decided to sleep it off. The only person to get dinged for his bad decision was him

of course you're trying to absolve him, by making it look like getting stoned on painkillers and driving isn't an issue because he managed to pull over to the side of the road before passing out. (and the car was running, by the way)

no question he put people at risk by driving at all in his condition. can't see how you can say nobody was at risk but himself.

drunk or mixing his drugs. all the same.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

of course you're trying to absolve him, by making it look like getting stoned on painkillers and driving isn't an issue because he managed to pull over to the side of the road before passing out. (and the car was running, by the way)

no question he put people at risk by driving at all in his condition. can't see how you can say nobody was at risk but himself.

drunk or mixing his drugs. all the same.

All the same but one it perhaps a less intentional item.
I think if people pound back 5 beers and drive they know what they are doing - they are making a deliberate choice.
But medications are strange as are reactions to them.
So it feels less deliberate to me.
Which doesn't absolve him of responsibility - as we all need to be responsible for the state we are in when we get behind the wheel.
For instance I have taken a cab, or not driven somewhere at all, because I have been too sleep deprived - which in and of itself can impair you as much as alcohol.

[Zarley]

Assuming he's telling the truth, I can sympathize with him. I've had a bizarre reaction to medication before that was not predicted at that dosage level.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Bottom line is that nobody got hurt. I don't claim to know if he had a reaction to medication or simply took too much pain killers. It's a little different than say a guy that's been boozing it up all evening and decides he's going to go for a drive. Really hard to know what was going through his mind and what the medication did for his decision making. I'm not saying he should be excused for being impaired behind the wheel but society loves to see celebrities crash and burn and I don't feel we need to rake him over the coals for this as he made a mistake and fortunately the police could intervene before any harm could be done to anyone.

So if an impaired driver manages to make it home without maiming or killing anyone it's okay? No harm, no foul, right? After all, no one got hurt.

Tiger Woods operated a motor vehicle while impaired by prescription medication. Full Stop. Period. The law should treat him accordingly.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Bottom line is that nobody got hurt. I don't claim to know if he had a reaction to medication or simply took too much pain killers. It's a little different than say a guy that's been boozing it up all evening and decides he's going to go for a drive. Really hard to know what was going through his mind and what the medication did for his decision making. I'm not saying he should be excused for being impaired behind the wheel but society loves to see celebrities crash and burn and I don't feel we need to rake him over the coals for this as he made a mistake and fortunately the police could intervene before any harm could be done to anyone.

Originally Posted by longsuffering

So if an impaired driver manages to make it home without maiming or killing anyone it's okay? No harm, no foul, right? After all, no one got hurt.

Tiger Woods operated a motor vehicle while impaired by prescription medication. Full Stop. Period. The law should treat him accordingly.

What the hell is wrong with some of you? Where did I say it's okay that he was driving impaired? Seriously where? Also where did I say he should be treated differently by the law? I even stated that I don't believe he should be excused for being impaired behind the wheel. All I'm saying is that there was no tragedy and he doesn't need to be vilified here as I've seen people looped on medication and that doesn't make them bad people and I don't think it's fair to say that he purposely took too much of his medication just to get high and have some fun when none of us know if it was just a reaction or him popping one pill to many to ease some back pain.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

A few weeks ago, I was at a friend's wedding. I had a few drinks, but I wasn't getting a hotel room and didn't want to crash at anyone's house.

I got in the passenger seat of my car, put my keys in my glovebox, and slept in the parking lot for a few hours. As stupid as it is to give people DUIs for being stationary, it's not that difficult to pull over and cover your own ass.

Good on you for doing that. But technically you can still get a DUI since you were in control of the vehicle. I remember specifically asking this very question during Drivers Ed and remember being told that even if you curl up in the back seat, keys in the trunk, are in the parking lot and passed out, you can still get a DUI since you are technically 'in control'.

If fact according to the instructor, if I am drunk in the passenger seat and the sober DD runs inside a store and leaves the car running with me in it, I can still be charged with a DUI since I'm in control.

Not likely a cop would press charges against someone in that last scenario, and maybe the rules are different now (or the teacher was full of ####). But there's all sorts of scenarios where someone just sleeping in their car drunk can get a DUI.

[Mister Yamoto]

He will beat this. I'm surprised charges were even laid.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

He will beat this. I'm surprised charges were even laid.

I'd be surprised if charges were ever not laid for a guy passed out in the driver seat of a running vehicle.
especially when being woken up thinks he's in a different part of the country.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I'd be surprised if charges were ever not laid for a guy passed out in the driver seat of a running vehicle.
especially when being woken up thinks he's in a different part of the country.

I think there may be grounds for leniency in this case. Its reasonable to beleive that he didn't beleive that he was impaired, and once he realized he wasn't thinking clearly, he pulled over.

He's guilty, but I don't think this is worth crucifying him over.

(Based on details we know of so far)

[afc wimbledon]

Apparently the car was 'heavily damaged' two flat tires smashed up front bumper and tail lights so it would appear he did a far bit of damage before he 'realised' he needed to pull over, perhaps brought on by the fact that with two flats it would be all but undriveable.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I'd be surprised if charges were ever not laid for a guy passed out in the driver seat of a running vehicle.

You really think that has never happened?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Tiger Woods' 2015 Mercedes-Benz showed signs of "fresh damage" on the driver's side of the vehicle when he was found asleep at the wheel the morning of his arrest on suspicion of driving under the influence, police records show.

New documents released late Tuesday afternoon by Jupiter, Florida, police reveal that both tire rims on the driver's side of the Mercedes had minor damage and the front and rear tires on that side of the vehicle were flat.

Police also observed damage to the bumper on the driver's side, white scrapes and scuffs on the rear bumper, and the passenger side rear taillight was not working, according to the documents.

Jupiter police discovered Woods early Monday on the side of the road, with his car running, its brake lights illuminated and right turn signal flashing, according to the arrest report released earlier Tuesday. He was by himself and wearing his seat belt.

The report said Woods had to be awakened and that his speech was slurred. Woods told police he was coming from golfing in Los Angeles and he didn't know where he was, the document said. According to the report, he later changed his story and asked how far he was from his house. Woods has a home on Jupiter Island.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/us/tig...ils/index.html

[transplant99]

Sounds like he was completely out of it...like to the point he may have had no control on what he was doing.

If there really was a bad reaction to a mix of painkillers/meds and they were prescribed, i can see a scenario where he isn't criminally responsible for whatever it was he hit nor for even being behind the wheel. Strange set of circumstances though for sure.

[bluejays]

From the sounds of this, I wouldn't throw him under the bus. Not everyone listens to the word of their pharmacist or believes that a medication could impair your motor skills. I'd be curious to see if some type of blood test comes back with a recreational drug or if it was a drug for a medical issue, but from the sounds of it it looks like we all jumped to a conclusion initially.

[jammies]

We can and should vilify him. He's probably reading this board right now, crying, and rethinking his life choices. Or he would be, but TJW (Tiger Justice Warrior) just had to tell everyone to lay off of this great humanitarian and hero. Judge not, for until you've leisurely walked a golf course in his two-thousand dollar shoes, you don't know how tough it is!

Won't someone think of the sociopaths?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Sounds like he was completely out of it...like to the point he may have had no control on what he was doing.

If there really was a bad reaction to a mix of painkillers/meds and they were prescribed, i can see a scenario where he isn't criminally responsible for whatever it was he hit nor for even being behind the wheel. Strange set of circumstances though for sure.

He probably gets off with a slap on the wrist and a reminder to test his meds before getting behind the wheel of a vehicle.