[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[Ashes]

As someone who's been adamant that the Flames need a rebuild or at least a serious overhaul of the roster, I'm happier with this return than most. Especially with all these reports of Hanifin's camp limiting the Flames to less than a handful of teams to trade with.

There's a very good chance we get that 2nd round pick, and we're guaranteed a 1st round pick. Let's see who we take with those picks, and let's see what kind of a player we have in Miramanov before declaring trade winners/losers IMHO.

If Conroy manages to trade Markstrom before the deadline, I think we'll be able to look back on all of the deals he's made starting with Toffoli, and say that he's done a hell of a job getting us pointed in the right direction. Would love to see a Center and another 1st coming back in the Markstrom trade though, surely we're done adding defensemen to the organization for now.

I think our scouts are going to crush these next few drafts.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

Conroy got worked pretty hard here. Thise cinditi9ms are embarrassing.
Monahan got a comparable return...

Oh well it was still better then re-signing him.

I hope this team is very honest with themselves and what they are over the next few years.

The trade to compare Monahan too is the Lindholm trade. Conroy nailed that one.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Wasn’t the first round pick like 12th overall? A lot of it has to do with the conditions for me. I’m not a fan of them. I’m willing to acknowledge they could work in our favour. But it could just as easily be a pick you wait to make in the 26 draft thats in the 25-32 range. Not a fan of that.

What team is looking to rent Hanifin that would be offering a pick that realistically isn't in the 20-32 range? That's what rental trades send back from contending teams.

Hronek and Chycrun weren't rentals, so you get a little bit more from teams that aren't necessarily contenders involved since they know they aren't just buy a few games of play out of a player.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

More specifically I think we need ...

Vancouver to hold off Edmonton and secure the 1st spot in the Pacific, Edmonton plays Vegas in the first round and loses, Vancouver and Dallas meet in the conference final and the Canucks go to the finals.

Don't we want Dallas in the finals because of the conditions in the Tanev deal?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by traptor

Conroy got worked pretty hard here. Thise cinditi9ms are embarrassing.
Monahan got a comparable return...

Oh well it was still better then re-signing him.

I hope this team is very honest with themselves and what they are over the next few years.

This sounds so dismissive… he’s a 1st power play unit player. He’s currently on the #1 power play unit on one of the best teams in the league.

Hanifin isn’t an offensive defenceman, maybe he’ll be like PP2. Monahan is a much more valuable rental in my opinion for this post season.

[Strange Brew]

One thing that is clearer to me today is just how valuable it was for the flames to take on one year of Kuzmenko. That was the real coup in that trade.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by traptor

Conroy got worked pretty hard here. Thise cinditi9ms are embarrassing.
Monahan got a comparable return...

Oh well it was still better then re-signing him.

I hope this team is very honest with themselves and what they are over the next few years.

Why are the conditions embarrassing? I think they could actually work out for the better if things play out in certain ways.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by devo22

Hanifin/Brisson make it clear he'd only re-sign in Tampa -> Tampa knows this and lowballs Calgary -> Calgary looks at teams that view him as a rental and takes the best deal instead of gifting him to Tampa

makes sense, no?

Yes, but if Vegas and Tampa are offering the same are you sending him to Vegas or Tampa. I’m probably going Vegas if Brisson was making things harder.

[Ashasx]

After sleeping on this, I think the return is still light, but I'm not as sour.

However, I again commend Conroy for sticking to his vision in trading for futures, and trading Hanifin to a division rival who could potentially play against us for another 8 seasons beyond this. I think that's good long-term thinking, and it continues to be a welcoming change to this organization. It takes guts to follow through with this.

The more I think about Hanifin as a player though, the more I think I overrated him. Five months ago, I scoffed at the idea of re-signing him to a $7.5MM AAV contract for 8 years - and it sounds like that's the minimum he will get on an extension with any team right now.

Hanifin never raised his game when this team made the playoffs. In fact, he perhaps wilted more than any other player on this team over his tenure as a Flame. Offensively, he only had 8 assists and no goals in 27 playoff games as a Flame. Defensively, he would cough pucks up and ultimately looked like the pressure of playing in the playoffs got to him.

Hanifin can eat minutes well in the regular season. Hell, if he's on your second pair, that means you have a pretty good team.

But I wouldn't want to pay him what he's going to get on his next contract. He doesn't move the needle.

[JJolg]

Originally Posted by traptor

Conroy got worked pretty hard here. Thise cinditi9ms are embarrassing.
Monahan got a comparable return...

Oh well it was still better then re-signing him.

I hope this team is very honest with themselves and what they are over the next few years.

Monahan was a single pick. You can come out of this with 1st,2nd and a roster player for someone who wanted too play elsewhere next year. People also seem to forget he brings zero physically which lots of teams chase this time of year

[#-3]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Isnt it the worse of the 2 picks that is Florida or Calgary's

I was corrected last night, it is the better of the picks top 10 protected. So if one is top 10 and one is not, then we get the top ten pick.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by traptor

Conroy got worked pretty hard here. Thise cinditi9ms are embarrassing.
Monahan got a comparable return...

Oh well it was still better then re-signing him.

I hope this team is very honest with themselves and what they are over the next few years.

Monahan returned a late first rounder and a pipe dream 3rd if the Jets win the cup. That is not comparable to a 1st, what will likely be a 2nd rounder, and Miromanov.

It's a pretty average deadline rental deal for a #2-#3 defenceman on a contending team.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by #-3

I was corrected last night, it is the better of the picks top 10 protected. So if one is top 10 and one is not, then we get the top ten pick.

Yup. Flames need to be top ten bad unless Florida completely blows up this summer. I almost wonder if Conroy waits on a Markstrom trade to make sure Florida gets it’s UFAs sorted.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by traptor

Conroy got worked pretty hard here. Thise cinditi9ms are embarrassing.
Monahan got a comparable return...

Oh well it was still better then re-signing him.

I hope this team is very honest with themselves and what they are over the next few years.

You have to find a desperate idiot to make a Monahan like deal. It’s not easy.
Conroy got what the market is willing to pay. He has shopped Hanifin since summer. Only thing he could have done was wait another day.

[EldrickOnIce]

Clearly many weren't here when Flames dealt HOF'er Jarome Iginla for 28th pick and two plugs. This is a Kings ransom compared to the Iginla trade. Or the Bouwmeester trade.
Is it a home run? Nope
It's OK

[wired]

I am happy that our UFA players were traded for something. It would have sucked hard if Conroy was not able to make a deal for Hannafin before the deadline. This is what the team needed, force a re-tool/rebuild and hopefully leave the mediocracy behind.

Now trade Marky and we are good. Do not want next years version of him, because if history tells us anything about him, he will be a hot mess next year.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

That's it eh? Wow. I expected a lot more.

It was worse than I had hoped for but better than I feared.
If I was Hanifin I'm not signing a contract extension in a trade scenario. I dont want to make who I'm going to any worse in any way by making myself more valuable in trade. I'm a free agent after-all, I'm going to sign wherever I want anyway. Therefore, I kind of expected him to be a "rental' in any sense.
I feared we end up getting a second and a cap dump for him as a rental. A Vegas first is almost like a second since its usually so late in the round and Miromanov is a cap dump as it relates to how many contracts a team can have, Vegas needed to get below the 50 contract limit if they wanted to add anything else this year. But we got an extra second (almost guaranteed) and I dont mind the first being punted down the road a year or two, at least spreading our picks out to maybe a deeper draft.

Not great/not horrible

[Enoch Root]

Some discussion about whether all the trades should be looked at in the aggregate or not - of course they should, because that is what matters to the Flames, and will define the team going forward. Also, individual players have different values to different people, so saying this return was good, and that return was bad, is simply a function of your own perceived value of the player.

With respect to this trade, not seeing the reason for hating the conditions - all they mean is that the 1st could turn out to be more valuable.

2024: 20-32.
2025: 10-32
2026: 1-32
I am hoping Vegas exercises the conditions and gives us the 2026 - who wouldn't want the better odds?

And the 3rd can become a 2nd - oh noes!

And Miromanov is a mid-level prospect. Not terrible, by the way, as he has already played NHL games, and will for the Flames, so this isn't a Hanowski situation. Also, Miromanov has a higher PPG in the AHL than Poirier.

But in the end, it comes down to the total return of all the trades:

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin --> Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Miromanov, Grushnikov, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd (could become 2nd), 3rd, 3rd, conditional 3rd, 4th (could become 3rd), 5th

The Flames wanted to get younger and rebuild the prospect base. They definitely did that. Knowing they were losing 3 dmen, they wanted to restock the D depth - they did that pretty well(along with the return of Kylington, and the pickups of Pachal and Hanley).

Essentially, the Flames got 2 extra years of draft picks: 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd/possible 2nd, 2 more 3rds, a conditional 3rd and a 4th that can become a 3rd, and a 5th. That all basically equates to 2 years of a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

They also added Brzustewicz, who was a 3rd in last year's draft. So that means that, starting last year, their picks in the top 3 rounds are:

2023: 4 (16, 48, 75, 80)
2024: 5 (10-12, 25-32, 42-46, 50-62, 74-76 + maybe another late 3rd)
2025: 5 (1-32, 11-32, 33-45, 3rd that could be a 2nd, 65-75)
2026: 4 (so far)

If anyone doesn't see that as franchise-altering, I don't know what to say to you. And all of that is on top of already having a middle of the pack prospect list.

Trade Markstrom to a) add to the list, and b) improve the picks we already have, and I give the Flames very high marks for what they've done.

Oh, let's not forget a ton of cap space to add more assets with. As of today, they have 18 contracts for $67M, leaving them with $20M in space. Add Coronato and Kylington, for maybe $3.5M. If they trade Markstrom, either now or in the summer, add another $6M. HUGE opportunities still to come with cap space.

All this has been done while making the on ice product younger and more entertaining.

Hell of a job from Conroy so far, IMO.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why are the conditions embarrassing? I think they could actually work out for the better if things play out in certain ways.

Yep. A 1st, 2nd and Miromanov (assuming he's a player) might very well turn out to be a great trade if the Flames hit on the picks or parlay some of these assets into a bigger asset at some point.

It's almost hilarious that people think a contending team was going to rent Hanifin for an A prospect, first round pick and more and anything less is unacceptable. We aren't talking about one of the top 10 players at his position here.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Clearly many weren't here when Flames dealt HOF'er Jarome Iginla for 28th pick and two plugs. This is a Kings ransom compared to the Iginla trade. Or the Bouwmeester trade.
Is it a home run? Nope
It's OK

I think the direction is a home run though, so I’m pumped that they’ve shipped out all the UFAs (and room problems) and stocked up on picks while taking a few chances on buried roster players.