2021 NHL Draft

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Poe969

He told you that?!?!

Maybe it was but maybe it was a 17 year old boy who wanted to brag about being with an older girl. Maybe..Maybe..Maybe...

For someone who started your previous post with "It's not an excuse" there seems to be a lot of excuses here.

[Poe969]

Again, those weren't excuses. They were potential reasons. I didn't say he did it because of one of those reasons. I said "maybe it happened because of..."

If you are not 100% sure what happened, how can you know? I'm saying maybe it happened for a certain reason.

If someone kills someone, maybe it's cold blooded, maybe it's self defense, maybe it's an accident. I'm not defending the killer, I'm saying I don't know what happened.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Again, those weren't excuses. They were potential reasons. I didn't say he did it because of one of those reasons. I said "maybe it happened because of..."

If you are not 100% sure what happened, how can you know? I'm saying maybe it happened for a certain reason.

I certainly let didn’t mean to pigeon hole you into defending this entire situation with my comment. I only meant to pluck out one part of your post as it comes up way too often. What others did or didn’t do doesn’t matter.

Seems like we agree that letting the justice system work out the details of the incident is of course an important step. But some teams don’t have time for that, which is also fair. It’ll work out in the end for the kid however the legal system decides. Because they’ll have the details.

But, the accusation is a crime. And I’m pretty sure it comes with a harsher sentence than petty theft. It’s reasonable for teams to not want to chance that.

[Poe969]

I would still take him with a 3rd or 4th

When watching the NFL, I marvel at the speed and co-ordination of the giant linemen. Hockey is not without a few of their own, and in Logan Mailloux, we have a very large man with fabulous co-ordination and glide, who plays an aggressive game, with near flawless positioning in his end. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and solidify his offensive upside, as he hasn't as of yet blossomed in the OHL with London (or with his Covid-19 loan team, SK Lejon), but his stay in the Greater Ontario Junior saw him put up 18 goals /68 points in 48 games and does have 18 points in 13 games in Sweden as of Feb.1st. #What is certain is his long stride eats up ice and is able contribute in so many ways due to his great size/co-ordination and savvy. He is very aggressive in the offensive end with pinches, jump ups, and seals, but still manage this way back to defend from them with strong re-positioning. A full ice contributor who can accurately rocket passes through tine gaps to attacking forwards. His reach gets to many an errant pass, and his stick breaks up defensive zone passes as much as his aggression buries many puck carrier. Does have issues with his weight ballooning which a better conditioning regime will rectify. A long-term right handed developmental defender prospect who a team can select and wait for.

--Bill Płaczek--

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Again, those weren't excuses. They were potential reasons. I didn't say he did it because of one of those reasons. I said "maybe it happened because of..."

If you are not 100% sure what happened, how can you know? I'm saying maybe it happened for a certain reason.

If someone kills someone, maybe it's cold blooded, maybe it's self defense, maybe it's an accident. I'm not defending the killer, I'm saying I don't know what happened.

Frankly there are more viable defences to killing someone than videoing them having sex without their knowledge and then sharing the video. There’s no accident or self-defence explanation possible. The video was bad enough, but sharing it later - there’s no possible excuse.

[Poe969]

17 year old boy. Whatever the reason, if he was doing it to be a jerk, he can still learn from this.


The only thing I'm really trying to say is that he can still grow into a good person and great hockey player. Talk to the kid, maybe it's worth giving him another hance and maybe it isn’t.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Frankly there are more viable defences to killing someone than videoing them having sex without their knowledge and then sharing the video. There’s no accident or self-defence explanation possible. The video was bad enough, but sharing it later - there’s no possible excuse.

Very true.

An employee at our firm took a picture of a drunk co-worker in a compromising position and forwarded to an another co-worker, who sent it to another co-worker with the caption "you'll never believe what X just sent to me".

The last co-worker reported it, and both the perpetrator and the first recipient were immediately fired. The perpetrator based further disciplinary action also.

[Poe969]

Were the employees 17 year old boys? A 17 year old isn't even an adult yet and can't even be criminally charged. They can be labeled a POS but as life goes on and if the person redeems themselves, they can become contributing members of society.

I can't believe so many people on here want to condemn a 17 year old for doing something like this without knowing the whole story. I wonder how many of those people were fans of Gilmour...

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Were the employees 17 year old boys? A 17 year old isn't even an adult yet and can't even be criminally charged. a

17-year-olds most certainly can be criminally charged. That's what juvenile courts are for. And only a fool would suggest that they should never be expected to take responsibility for their own behaviour until the day they turn 18 and the Maturity Fairy dumps a ton of Magic Adult Dust on them.

But if you're going to play the ‘but he's only a child!’ card, how about the fact that the video in question is technically child pornography? I haven't heard anyone mention that wrinkle yet.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Odd guy to defend.
Screw him. I hope the Flames and all other NHL teams stay away from him.
We need to start changing hockey culture. That means when this stuff happens there should be severe consequences. No 2nd chances.

[dammage79]

So, did everyone read the story? He is in trouble for sharing the girls Bio along with the picture. If he didn't identify her there'd be no story here.

I'm not making excuses for the kid, but it's pretty Wild to me that it's okay to share an unidentified picture but the legal system draws the line at identifying the person .

And he wasn't a rapist. This was 100 percent consensual .

I just hate to see this slip off into some he's a rapist kind of thing. He pulled a stupid dude bro move and is/has paid for it.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So, did everyone read the story? He is in trouble for sharing the girls Bio along with the picture. If he didn't identify her there'd be no story here.

I'm not making excuses for the kid, but it's pretty Wild to me that it's okay to share an unidentified picture but the legal system draws the line at identifying the person .

And he wasn't a rapist. This was 100 percent consensual .

I just hate to see this slip off into some he's a rapist kind of thing. He pulled a stupid dude bro move and is/has paid for it.

In fact, she was legally an adult and he was technically a minor.

Still just a really dumb thing for him to do and if the consequences rob him of a career, I won't feel sorry for him. If he gets a second chance, I feel like the girl that was hurt by this should have a say in that.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Odd guy to defend.
Screw him. I hope the Flames and all other NHL teams stay away from him.
We need to start changing hockey culture. That means when this stuff happens there should be severe consequences. No 2nd chances.

Zero second chances? For a 17 year old?


This whole “punishment and suffering over rehabilitation” mindset people have is absolutely baffling.

I’ll give anybody a second chance for a one time thing they did while they were 17 if they address the root causes and I think it won’t happen again. Whether the apologies are sincere or the if the person is making an effort to actually change I have no idea, but I would expect any org that makes the decision to draft him to do their due diligence there.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So, did everyone read the story? He is in trouble for sharing the girls Bio along with the picture. If he didn't identify her there'd be no story here.

I'm not making excuses for the kid, but it's pretty Wild to me that it's okay to share an unidentified picture but the legal system draws the line at identifying the person.

There are pretty stiff penalties in most countries for publishing someone's photograph without their consent. Stiffer if the photo is compromising or obscene, and stiffer still if the person is publicly identified and the photo can harm their reputation. The bio matters.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There are pretty stiff penalties in most countries for publishing someone's photograph without their consent. Stiffer if the photo is compromising or obscene, and stiffer still if the person is publicly identified and the photo can harm their reputation. The bio matters.

That's a lot of stiff references...

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So, did everyone read the story? He is in trouble for sharing the girls Bio along with the picture. If he didn't identify her there'd be no story here.

I'm not making excuses for the kid, but it's pretty Wild to me that it's okay to share an unidentified picture but the legal system draws the line at identifying the person .

And he wasn't a rapist. This was 100 percent consensual .

I just hate to see this slip off into some he's a rapist kind of thing. He pulled a stupid dude bro move and is/has paid for it.

The issue is in the photo she apparently isn't identifiable - which is why him then taking the extra step to identify her makes it much more serious.

It wouldn't be OK to share the offensive photo at all, but if she was identifiable in the image, then it wouldn't matter if he stated her name or not.

Never said he was a rapist.

But nor do I think this can be accurately described as a stupid dude bro move. It's more than that

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But nor do I think this can be accurately described as a stupid dude bro move. It's more than that

It's a ‘deliberately set out to humiliate someone with maximum publicity’ move.

If Mailloux thinks that's OK to do to other people, he's got mental issues that are not going to magically go away at 18. If he just did the whole thing impulsively, he's got impulse control problems that are very likely to affect his on-ice performance as well.

Either way, drafting the kid looks like more of a headache than he is likely to be worth.

[dissentowner]

At 17 you know that sharing that is wrong. That is ruining someone's life. Imagine if that was your daughter.

[Wastedyouth]

No second chances?

C'mon, get out of here with that.

You're holding this kid up to a standard that you wouldn't hold yourself or your own kids up to.

It was gross, and stupid, and damaging to this woman and deserves punishment and learning a lesson in privacy and respect.

But "no second chances"? That's ridiculous.

I know no one in this thread personally, but I would bet my life that 80% of you in your teens have done something as damaging or disgusting to someone you knew or know and either got caught and didnt pay the price or never got caught and regret it to this day, even a little, but are happy you were able to learn from it and become a better person.

Compassion isn't weakness. The kid is stupid and reckless and selfish, but he CAN be a better person, and deserves a chance at it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

No I never did something that damaging or abusive to someone.
I can say that with certainty.