Climate change and human responsibility

[Zarley]

I just feel sorry for this kid. She has a mental illness and is fixated on genuine fear for the future of humanity. Instead of reassuring her that things will work out (the rational thing to do), the adults in her life have chosen to exploit her as a symbol of a political movement. It’s bizarre to see so many adults in the media lauding what is truly a sad situation.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by zamler

It doesn't make the slightest difference, anything short of zero oil production will not appease these climate zealots. In fact I don't think anything will they are hell bent on doom and gloom no matter what.

I bet you could tell them about some of the latest technologies that promise clean energy and they wouldn't care at all, it's all about the hysteria. Don't believe me? See the idiots and climbed on the train in protest, even though the train runs on electricity and replaces thousands of petrol burning cars for transport. That's the mentality we're dealing with.

Even if that's correct, what's the benefit of what UWR and The Rebel are doing, other than satisfying their raging hate-boners?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Calgary Puck is such a liberal forum. I sometimes wonder if the Calgary Puck server room is in Kent Hehr’s office. Would be nice to know.

I'm a diesel driving, oilfield working CCFR member.

Damn btimbit and his liberal agenda.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

You dropped this:



Lots of climate activists will listen to reason, most likely even Greta. Unfortunately they don’t hear much. It’s mostly baseless attacks on their motives and character and almost no refutation of their message.

I'm talking about the climate zealots, not everyone. Now if you can point me to one of these protestors that is willing to listen to reason please do. Everyone I've seen has zero interest in a constructive dialog.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

The best thing would be to come out with a message that is agreeable, like "yes, we agree fossil fuels and its production aren't great for the environment, but we need it for a lot of industries, and having it supplied by us in an ethical manner is a lot better than getting it from some OPEC nation".

I would prefer "but we need the income from it to sustain our health care system, which will continue to suffer through underfunding". That may hit closer to home.

Also the environmentalists don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to importing dirtier foreign oil.

I think the Federal Conservatives should have used these types of arguments more in the campaign.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Take a quick look at who thanks your posts. It’s the same group over and over and over. Not just in this thread but in just about all of them. Liberals always pat eachother on the back.

They just want to bone me.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Even if that's correct, what's the benefit of what UWR and The Rebel are doing, other than satisfying their raging hate-boners?

The Rebel simply needs to be ignored I find them especially their dear leader incredibly annoying and condescending. There is nothing wrong with being right or left leaning but they are way way off the rails, just as bad as the screaming climate protestors blocking traffic and scolding people for trying to get to work.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Imagine how far right you'd have to be to believe this is a true statement.

Imagine how far left you would have to be to believe Calgary Puck is conservative.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by zamler

I'm talking about the climate zealots, not everyone. Now if you can point me to one of these protestors that is willing to listen to reason please do. Everyone I've seen has zero interest in a constructive dialog.

I think generally you can't reason with a mob. Get a few of them one on one and engage critically with them, and you have a shot. I've seen it happen firsthand.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Take a quick look at who thanks your posts. It’s the same group over and over and over. Not just in this thread but in just about all of them. Liberals always pat eachother on the back.

And? Is that group the majority? Of course not.

Take a look at the Canada Politics thread. It’s mostly CPC voters, and guess what, I’m totally fine with that. You’re the one who can’t tolerate different opinions. So much so that they’re all you seem to see.

[Looch City]

What we need is an open poll on who you voted for so we can all see everyone's allegiances.

Then we can meet at the parking lot for a battle. To death?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Imagine how far left you would have to be to believe Calgary Puck is conservative.

Imagine imagining that I actually wrote that.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I'm a diesel driving, oilfield working CCFR member.

Damn btimbit and his liberal agenda.

Nm

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by zamler

The Rebel simply needs to be ignored I find them especially their dear leader incredibly annoying and condescending. There is nothing wrong with being right or left leaning but they are way way off the rails, just as bad as the screaming climate protestors blocking traffic and scolding people for trying to get to work.

That's a really bad false equivalency. Blocking people getting to work isn't really on the same level as inciting people to shoot up Mosques and then trying to spread a conspiracy theory about it, doxxing a disabled teenager, etc. One of those things is kind of annoying and inconvenient, the other is downright dangerous.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think generally you can't reason with a mob. Get a few of them one on one and engage critically with them, and you have a shot. I've seen it happen firsthand.

Not a chance, I've watched vids where some of the protestors were engaged one on one, they never stepped down from their screaming hysteria. Not even close, in fact they got extremely angry because it's "them against the corporate evil doers" there is no reasoning with that.

And you have to recognize the total lack of self awareness, they use the same energy as everyone else, they are as complicit as you or I. We are all responsible.

[burn_this_city]

Wait, I'm a Liberal?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by zamler

Not a chance, I've watched vids where some of the protestors were engaged one on one, they never stepped down from their screaming hysteria. Not even close, in fact they got extremely angry because it's "them against the corporate evil doers" there is no reasoning with that.

And you have to recognize the total lack of self awareness, they use the same energy as everyone else, they are as complicit as you or I. We are all responsible.

Right, but it sounds like you're talking about videos where attempts are made to engage them while they're still in the mob/act of protesting. There's a performative element of protesting that I think you have to remove people from before you can really have a conversation with them.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Wait, I'm a Liberal?

You've thanked my posts. Sorry, dude, guess you're voting NDP on Monday.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You've thanked my posts. Sorry, dude, guess you're voting NDP on Monday.

Elizabeth May for Emporer!

[zamler]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Right, but it sounds like you're talking about videos where attempts are made to engage them while they're still in the mob/act of protesting. There's a performative element of protesting that I think you have to remove people from before you can really have a conversation with them.

Performative element? #### off, those people are idiots plain and simple you don't block traffic and dance on trains and scream the world is ending in 12 years if you're head is screwed on tight.