2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[FlamesAreOne]

https://twitter.com/user/status//1935165172546715915

[Bonded]

Probably just loving the oilers loss

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...also, I hate any reference to Dallas. Dallas is not the team to look at. Look at Florida, look at Edmonton. T.

I don't understand grouping Florida and Edmonton together or thinking Edmonton is a model of anything.
Florida is a well run team that made a series of smart draft picks, trades and signings to build a team.
Edmonton won a lottery and drafted a truly generational player.

What exactly should we be looking at Edmonton for?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What exactly should we be looking at Edmonton for?

Terrible management

[FlamesAreOne]

McDavid is gonna walk.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am sort of on the same opinion about Dallas not being a great model, but I find myself on the fence with them.


On one hand, where would they be if they didn't win the lottery and get to draft Heiskanen? He is so good and really helps control the game I feel. Is that something that is repeatable - not tanking but expecting to luck out eventually and draft high?



I haven't bought in to them being a top team in the west this year, but my stance has changed. They didn't look good against Edmonton, granted, but they looked exceptional until then. Getting to the third round in consecutive years is nothing to sneeze at - that takes a quality team. I feel the Flames had some pretty good squads in the last 10 years, and they never came close to the third round.


I think Dallas will improve, however. I bet they will draw interest from UFAs, and few - if any - players will have them on their NTC lists.



The closest team to the Flames in terms of location, metro size, climate, etc, and who has had recent success is Edmonton. However, managing a team like a moron and simply lucking out is not a model. What's the next best comparable for the Flames? Has to be Carolina I think. Yet, this feels a bit 'light'. Carolina has made the playoffs for 7 straight seasons. They have been to the conference finals three times in that span. Yet, it still feels like Calgary is aiming a little low. Carolina always feels like a very good team - but not a great one. It is the team that the great teams in the east beat every year.


I don't think there is a 'model' for Calgary. Winnipeg? Less success than Carolina (though more than Calgary in the last decade). Ottawa is just turning things around - way too early to be a model. Montreal is a bit of a different animal, and I also think it is wildly premature to point at them.


I think what Conroy should do is simply create his own model. It is his job on the line, it is his reputation on the line. He gets to be the maverick leading this organization down a path that he feels is best. I am really curious to see what that path is. I have my own suspicions, but I may be completely wrong. He is definitely focused on drafting - this is the one thing that he keeps stating- that most of his players will come through the draft. Other than that, it is anyone's guess.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

I don’t think any team is to be emulated. I think the flames are in good hands finally but I feel drafting in the middle so often makes the likely hood of finding the barkovs of the world so difficult. I feel gross saying it but Tampa may be our best hope but they drafted stammer and hedman respectively then hit with Vas, point and Kuch.

We need to get to the top of the draft somehow. I think this draft has an abundance of top six Center options. There may be a mark scheifle or a zetterberg or a Bergeron option in this draft, and that would give us a real shot at capitalizing on the auxiliary depth to perhaps round out a really competitive team.

Other than that with the veteran talent we have and the mandate from ownership to have a culture of professionalism and competition we may never see the top of a draft without serious lottery luck.

Thus why I think we can’t emulate anyone and have to hope for enough luck to occur consecutively so that we can be a contender. We have a goalie to dream on. We have a dynamic dman to dream on. We have no other real blue chip talent to dream on sadly. We have some promising pieces but unless we turn into a development juggernaut we will be forced to be honest somewhere.

I want this team to win more Stanley cups in my life time. I feel the best way to do that is to stockpile top talent while being painfully bad for a good number of years. Trading Ras, weegs, Coleman, backs and kadri in any order could make this more realistic sooner.

As a result of that likelihood being remote with this ownership group I think all we can do is hope Connie gets it right and can find game breaking talent with button riding shotgun. I think with our organization and a guy like Connie a mandate to be terrible would see us better off than the oil with mcdavid though.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't understand grouping Florida and Edmonton together or thinking Edmonton is a model of anything.
Florida is a well run team that made a series of smart draft picks, trades and signings to build a team.
Edmonton won a lottery and drafted a truly generational player.

What exactly should we be looking at Edmonton for?

Substandard dentistry?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Bringing up Dallas again who haven't won anything. If your goal is to bring the cup back here Dallas isn't the model.

It takes some luck to win the cup.

Dallas has been a contender for a number of years.

They are doing just fine.

[Hackey]

What is the Dallas model? Draft well? Isn't every team in the league trying to do that? It's clearly easier said than done.

[Vinny01]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/508...shared_article

People with the Athletic may remember this article but it showed best drafting teams in the NHL since 2007. Dallas was #1 but Calgary was number 2 (Gaudreau, Fox, Brodie, Mangiapane, Kulak when this article was written you can add Wolf now) interesting that Calgary had the second FEWEST picks during this time frame.

Conroy said in his interview yesterday that he has always been heavily involved in the draft. This team is going to make more picks under him. It gives me some hope his plan has potential to pay off.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/508...shared_article

People with the Athletic may remember this article but it showed best drafting teams in the NHL since 2007. Dallas was #1 but Calgary was number 2 (Gaudreau, Fox, Brodie, Mangiapane, Kulak when this article was written you can add Wolf now) interesting that Calgary had the second FEWEST picks during this time frame.

Conroy said in his interview yesterday that he has always been heavily involved in the draft. This team is going to make more picks under him. It gives me some hope his plan has potential to pay off.

We need more picks. We need more picks for this draft. We need more picks for 2026 and 2027.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

We need more picks. We need more picks for this draft. We need more picks for 2026 and 2027.

This draft isn't good and is quite thin.
I agree that more picks would be good, but if there is an option - I would focus on 2026 and 2027 and not this year.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This draft isn't good and is quite thin.
I agree that more picks would be good, but if there is an option - I would focus on 2026 and 2027 and not this year.

Issue is that everyone knows that. So picks in 2026/27 are going to be harder to shake loose.

[Calgary4LIfe]

With the annual Oilers' season wrapped-up nicely into an L, I am really eager to see all the moves now. Didn't sound like Calgary has anything imminent, but I am sure there are other teams that do. Going to be a very busy and exciting 2 weeks!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/508...shared_article

People with the Athletic may remember this article but it showed best drafting teams in the NHL since 2007. Dallas was #1 but Calgary was number 2 (Gaudreau, Fox, Brodie, Mangiapane, Kulak when this article was written you can add Wolf now) interesting that Calgary had the second FEWEST picks during this time frame.

Conroy said in his interview yesterday that he has always been heavily involved in the draft. This team is going to make more picks under him. It gives me some hope his plan has potential to pay off.

The lack of picks has always been the Flames problem. Now they have more, if they hit on the same percentage that they hit on between 2010-2018 they should be fine.

Using 100 GP for goalies and 200 GP for forwards/Dmen the Flames hit on 17/56 picks (30%). They averagd 6.2 picks a draft during that time (less than the 7 alotted), they had 8 firsts (1 less than alotted), 9 2nds and 6 3rds (3 less than alloted).

So they hit at that high percentage without even the proper alotment of top 90 picks in the draft.

Last year they had 10 picks, including 6 in the top 90, this year they have 7 picks including 4 in the top 90 and next year they have 9 picks including 5 in the top 90. If they hit on 30% of those picks they will have 8 NHL players coming out of those 3 drafts, which will be a pretty good start for the rebuild. If they hit at a higher percentage all the better.

[traptor]

How does that article quantify best drafting teams?


Is it just based on quality (overall amount of GP by drafted players) or do they measure quality some way( avg WAR)


I'd be curious where the flames ranked in quality.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

How does that article quantify best drafting teams?


Is it just based on quality (overall amount of GP by drafted players) or do they measure quality some way( avg WAR)


I'd be curious where the flames ranked in quality.

It was weighted on number of picks and where the player was picked. Flames were high because they drafted better players than their picks should have allowed and a lot of their picks played games in spite of limited picks.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

We need more picks. We need more picks for this draft. We need more picks for 2026 and 2027.

Do we really need more picks? The scouts have done a great job recently but this team does not need to significantly add more quantity in the pipeline.

What they really need is a couple of high-end prospects that you typically find at the top of the draft. So we really just need more 1sts and maybe 2nds to either get what we can in those spots or use them to consolidate and trade up.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Dream scenario is McDavid walks for nothing; second choice is they trade him this offseason for magic beans.