2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Muta

Flames scouting MacKinnon

And local boy Makar for his inevitable trade to Calgary when the new stadium opens down the road. It's never too soon!

[Harry Lime]

I'd be happy with Johansson, Ritchie, and a 2nd. I like Richie and he plays a position of need. That would give three shots at the center position with honzek and zary.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1748762205045051750

#Flames who have two guys taking it

I've always figured being a scout could be a hard life but this makes it sound so much worse.

[Sandman]

The Flyers have some good youngsters on their roster, namely Tyson Foerster and Joel Farabee, with Cam York on the backend. I like all 3.

[dammage79]

I should clarify, my preference will always be Ritchie over anything else the Avs offer up.

Just think the Flames management want some defesnemen in their trades as it's the most problematic position in terms of depth.

At least with RyJo coming in you can shelter him a bit behind Backs and Kadri.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I've always figured being a scout could be a hard life but this makes it sound so much worse.

They're taking it in the Avs

[Harry Lime]

The flyers are very interesting, although they mirror the flames in a mini rebuild sense. Frost and farabee are both interesting and have had trouble getting traction in Philly. I think that briere would covet mangiapane in a trade like that. Eat Bread is very Philly sort of guy..

[traptor]

I don't think Frost is a very interesting piece in a Lindholm trade. He's 24 and is a similar caliber of player as Dube.

As a throw in sure.

Maybe a 1st + 2nd + Frost
Or
Bonk + Frost

[Ped]

Frost was Philly's best forward down the stretch last year. He and Torts still don't see eye-to-eye and he's been scratched a few times, but when he's on, he's really on - witness his assist on Foerster's goal today.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by traptor

I don't think Frost is a very interesting piece in a Lindholm trade. He's 24 and is a similar caliber of player as Dube.

As a throw in sure.

Maybe a 1st + 2nd + Frost
Or
Bonk + Frost

Agreed. I wouldn’t take him as a primary in a deal for Lindholm, but as a secondary piece or as a primary for Dube or Mangiapane, hell yes. Having Frost and Zary as young centers, good start for the retool.

[dammage79]

Starting to think the Canucks might be sleepers in the Lindholm sweeps. I've got the Jets in the lead still, but if your the Canucks or Jets, don't you kind of want to add that kind of player while at the same time keeping that kind of player put of the Avs hands?

Sometimes paying the premium works just to keep the other team at bay in the arms race.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Quite surprised this thread was not more active after a Saturday night broadcast. Usually lots of rumors floating around, especially after a tough loss. Some really interesting teams out there that should be sniffing around what the Flames have to offer. Devils, Islanders, and Penguins still in the mix and missing pieces the Flames have. Leafs on the ragged edge and a couple of Flames look to be solid additions. Jets and Avalanche in a go-for-it place and should be willing to load up. Then you have to teams on the bubble. Kings, Coyotes, and Kraken in need of upgrades. A team that I look at is Philadelphia and possible to be raided. Impatient fanbase and owner and expectations starting to change. Lots of targets and having the right pieces for each team, this could be an opportunity that rarely comes along for the Flames. They could retool quickly with the right moves.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Agreed. A few years ago, while going on about how idiotic Brad Treliving was, I actually thought it would be a good idea for the Flames to trade Gaudreau to Philadelphia for Frost a first and Vorachek. So, next time I lash out and tell there how much smarter I am than Flames management, and a lot of you people, keep this proposal I was on about in mind. I wouldn’t take him as a primary in a deal for Lindholm, but as a secondary piece or as a primary for Dube or Mangiapane, hell yes. Having Frost and Zary as young centers, good start for the retool.

Fixed your post

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Fixed your post

I'd take that trade over what we ended up getting for Gaudreau.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yup the 2nd in that proposal still needs to be a 1st IMO.

Byram is in his draft + 5, hasn't taken the steps people expected and can't stay healthy.

Johansen, Byram, 1st ... sure but it starts to looks underwhelming if it's a 2nd. Taking the extra year of Johansen with $4M attached is worth a 2nd on its own

If this is the highest upside deal on the table, do you take it?

At the beginning of the year the Athletic ran a piece on the best NHL prospects under 23. Byram was 17th and the 4th D-man. It has been more of the same this year with injuries. Also some D ranked below him, Sanderson for example, have likely leap frogged Byram. That said, the skill/talent is there. Put on a team like the Flames with a solid D although lacking a true/high end 1D he could flourish here.

Of course you would need to know how other deals stack up but Byram is a highly attractive player for the Flames and presumably how they want to turn their roster over.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

I'd take that trade over what we ended up getting for Gaudreau.

You’re missing the season that followed where Gaudreau scored 115 and the Flames hit the second round.

Had Gaudreau gone on to have that level of success, or even 80% of it, Lanny and others would have gone apoplectic over the supposed idiotic incompetent Flames.

You may have taken that deal but I strongly suspect Flames management and ownership wouldn’t have.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Fixed your post

Oh, such a clever girl! Question for you smart guy. Would we be in a much better position now than what we got for Gaudreau? Three assets instead of NOTHING? Yup. The Wizard really played that one like a champ! I hope Conroy doesn't follow that simp's lead or we'll have nothing to show for a number of high value assets because... just get in!

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by TOfan

If this is the highest upside deal on the table, do you take it?

At the beginning of the year the Athletic ran a piece on the best NHL prospects under 23. Byram was 17th and the 4th night D-man. It has been more of the same this year with injuries. Also some D ranked below him, Sand see son for example, have likely leap frogged Byram. That said, the skill/talent is there. Put on a team like the Flames with a solid D although lacking a true/high end 1D he could flourish here.

Of course you would need to know how other deals stack up but Byram is a highly attractive player for the Flames and presumably how they want to turn their roster over.

You have to compare him to the prospects that we may be able to get in other deals.

Personally, his injuries worry me and I would hope for someone with a better bill of health. The same can be said about Chaz Lucius.

So let's say Colorado is giving us the choice between Ritchie + or Bryram, I'm taking Ritchie +.

If Winnipeg is offering Lambert +, I am also taking that over Bryram.

After that, I would take him over mostly all other deals that have been suggested. He could have all the talent in the world but the fact that he hasn't played a full season in like 4 years worries me.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Oh, such a clever girl! Question for you smart guy. Would we be in a much better position now than what we got for Gaudreau? Three assets instead of NOTHING? Yup. The Wizard really played that one like a champ! I hope Conroy doesn't follow that simp's lead or we'll have nothing to show for a number of high value assets because... just get in!

Well played. Bravo.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You’re missing the season that followed where Gaudreau scored 115 and the Flames hit the second round.

Had Gaudreau gone on to have that level of success, or even 80% of it, Lanny and others would have gone apoplectic over the supposed idiotic incompetent Flames.

Nope. Wouldn't have given a ####. Only care about what is the Flames jersey. I'm not one of those losers who ruminates over the performance of ex-players once they move on. Don't give a #### about the Tkachuks, Bennets, Gaudreaus or any other ex-Flame. They no longer matter and neither does their performance elsewhere. Even when the Flames made some of the worst trades in history I haven't cared about what the ex-Flames did on their new teams. As soon as Gilmour was dealt, he no longer mattered. As soon as Nieuwendyk was dealt, he no longer mattered. As soon as Fleury and Iginla were dealt, neither of them mattered. Didn't follow their performance and didn't talk about it. Only care what happens to the Calgary Flames and once you're no longer a Flame you don't register. Don't have time for that tomfoolery.