American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

What's weird is this is literally the most authoritarian thing he's said, but what I think he MEANS is something else - that he's going to make the country so much better that people won't have to care about politics anymore. Of course what he REALLY means is pure selfishness as usual - i.e., just vote this time, because i won't be running next time so it doesn't matter to me if you vote then.

I think you're right. We seem to ascribe the most evil intentions to his words, but really he's just being self-serving as usual. I don't think he has the foresight to think beyond his immediate desires.

[Mathgod]

I'm starting to think Shapiro would not be a wise choice. His statements regarding the campus protests are likely to inflame them, and if he's the VP choice, it's likely the protests return in September even more widespread and severe than they were earlier this year.

Kelly or Walz would be great picks. Cooper wouldn't be a bad pick either as he'd put NC in play.

[afc wimbledon]

If they want to take Michigan they need to distance themselves from Biden's support for Israel which Harris has managed admirably so I doubt Shapiro stands a chance for this reason alone

[flylock shox]

Kelly apparently not the best choice if one wants a moderate on Israel either.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Kelly apparently not the best choice if one wants a moderate on Israel either.

He's not Jewish and he can keep his trap shut, that can work

[Ped]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I think you're right. We seem to ascribe the most evil intentions to his words, but really he's just being self-serving as usual. I don't think he has the foresight to think beyond his immediate desires.

You could be right, but how sad and scary is it, that it's even a question that has to be asked?

[Dion]

Trump voters are worried about Kamala Harris. They should be.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1817663968359670012

[Dion]

Support is up for Harris

https://twitter.com/user/status/1817565012770328681

[Ozy_Flame]

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

The Atlantic: Trump Says Americans ‘Won’t Have to Vote Anymore’ If He Wins

Yesterday, former President Donald Trump told a group of supporters that they won’t have to vote again if they elect him to the presidency. “You won’t have to do it anymore,” Trump said at the Turning Point Believers’ Summit in Florida. “It’ll be fixed; it’ll be fine; you won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians.”

Trump’s remarks represent an extraordinary departure from democratic norms in the United States—rarely, if ever, has a major party’s presidential candidate directly stated his aim to make elections meaningless, a notorious hallmark of autocracy.

[GGG]

https://www.natesilver.net/p/could-j...-kamala-harris

A good discussion from Silver on how meaningful a home state VP is. Essentially worth about .5% in polling which translates into a 1% better chance of winning the election. It’s based on his Biden model because the Harris one isn’t up and running yet.

So in theory, if Biden had replaced Harris with Shapiro — ignoring all the other crazy reverberations that move would have had — he’d have increased his chances of winning the Electoral College by about 1 percentage point based on home-state effects. That isn’t nothing: if you consider this election to be existentially important, then even a 1 percent improvement is meaningful from an expected value standpoint.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

The Atlantic: Trump Says Americans ‘Won’t Have to Vote Anymore’ If He Wins

You won't have to vote because in 2028 Trump will get 87% of a scam election like Putin does.

[photon]

I definitely didn't read the intention to end elections into Trump's "you won't have to vote anymore" comment, I think there's a bit of overreaction to it.

To me he's saying that he'll have fixed all the things Christians are concerned about so after he's done it won't matter who gets elected because things will be "fixed". Whatever that means, it's his typical promise everything even if it's impossible or undefined.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by photon

I definitely didn't read the intention to end elections into Trump's "you won't have to vote anymore" comment, I think there's a bit of overreaction to it.

To me he's saying that he'll have fixed all the things Christians are concerned about so after he's done it won't matter who gets elected because things will be "fixed". Whatever that means, it's his typical promise everything even if it's impossible or undefined.

The only way to 'fix' things forever in the US is to end elections

[Dion]

Pete Buttigieg Schools Fox News on What Trump Actually Thinks About Abortion: ‘He Lies All the Time’

Undeterred by Bream’s attempts to steer the conversation, Buttigieg insisted that Trump only kept two promises while in office for his first term: overturning Roe v. Wade and tax cuts. As a result, the politician said Trump can’t be trusted when he says he’s not in favor of a national abortion ban.

“Yeah, he’s disavowed a lot of things. I don’t believe him, because he lies all the time,” Buttigieg said.

In a clip that is making the rounds on social media Sunday, Buttigieg told the conservative news channel host that overturning Roe v. Wade was “one of the few” campaign promises that Trump managed to keep while president. “You know, he didn’t keep his promise of 6% economic growth. He didn’t keep his promise to drain the swamp,” he explained

https://twitter.com/user/status/1817562913604784222

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/pete-butti...225731968.html

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The only way to 'fix' things forever in the US is to end elections

Or put so many people into the Supreme Court with lifetime appointments that you get what you want for the next 30 years,

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

Or put so many people into the Supreme Court with lifetime appointments that you get what you want for the next 30 years,

No because if you lose elections badly enough (and that is the trajectory for a Giliad based GOP) then the POTUS can just add 4 or 5 extra justices

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

The Atlantic: Trump Says Americans ‘Won’t Have to Vote Anymore’ If He Wins

What’s more….

https://twitter.com/user/status/1817630201859486081

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by photon

I definitely didn't read the intention to end elections into Trump's "you won't have to vote anymore" comment, I think there's a bit of overreaction to it.

To me he's saying that he'll have fixed all the things Christians are concerned about so after he's done it won't matter who gets elected because things will be "fixed". Whatever that means, it's his typical promise everything even if it's impossible or undefined.

If anything there’s been a massive under-reaction and that should be concerning to, well, the world.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No because if you lose elections badly enough (and that is the trajectory for a Giliad based GOP) then the POTUS can just add 4 or 5 extra justices

Term limits would probably be /will be the better path.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by photon

I definitely didn't read the intention to end elections into Trump's "you won't have to vote anymore" comment, I think there's a bit of overreaction to it.

That is the textual reading, for sure. Often when Trump says things, and I'm not sure if it's deliberate or subconscious, but it has this double meaning and one of the meanings is INCREDIBLY ALARMING a lot of the time. With an aging candidate who might be letting slip his true intentions, and one who has explicitly praised authoritarian leaders, it becomes difficult to say if he means both things at once.

At a minimum, there's a good reason to at least be worried that the subtext matters, either because he's letting the mask slip by accident or actually auditioning these concepts as a sort of double entendre. And he then makes you second guess yourself about it because surely he's not that clever.

EDIT: I think the "I'll be a dictator on day 1" quote is very similar. Watch the context - he's clearly joking. Yet it's a far more alarming joke coming from him than it would have been coming from John McCain or Mitt Romney.