Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You actually got into one?!
It sounds great in theory but hasn't helped us one bit.

Yep. As has everyone I know with similar aged children that was looking for one.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I hope this isn't too personal, but I was under the impression you did quite well financially.

I don't think there's income controls on eligibly, is there?
I don't think there is in BC.

Also I'm a bum and we still need daycare. We couldn't even get daycare at any price, let alone $10/day.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I don't think there's income controls on eligibly, is there?
I don't think there is in BC.

Also I'm a bum and we still need daycare. We couldn't even get daycare at any price, let alone $10/day.

There are different subsidies in BC. There's one that's not income tested, which has lowered costs pretty significantly. But families below a certain threshold ($110K income I think?) can get additional subsidies which brings the cost down even more.

For spaces, it's pretty tough right in the cities. For childcare (particularly for 0-2 year olds who need more staff) to be viable and affordable, the people working there have to have pretty modest wages. But in an expensive city, you're not going to find many people that can make it work on those wages, so that leads to space shortages.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I don't think there's income controls on eligibly, is there?
I don't think there is in BC.

Also I'm a bum and we still need daycare. We couldn't even get daycare at any price, let alone $10/day.

Yeah, it's tough. We were lucky because we found a nice home run daycare close to where we lived. She was a retired kindergarten teacher from Newfoundland pretty much doing it because she loved kids and didn't need the money. We kept our kid in that one until she started school and needed a daycare with before and afterschool pick-up ($900 per month for an hour in the morning and 2 hours after school). You have to sign up 2 years in advance to get in though. I know one couple whose kid aged out of the daycare but they were planning to have another baby, so they just kept paying every month to hold the spot.

Population growth has drastically out paced services in Metro Van and it doesn't seem to be getting any better.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Slava

The economic union makes no sense and Canadians should be entirely opposed to that line of thinking.

We've had an economic union for decades. There is nothing wrong with understanding that Canada can benefit from trading with the biggest economy in the world.

The problem is our leadership is weak and has spent decades putting Canada into a position where we are completely dependent on the US for trade.

Being able to deal with the Trump Administration from a position of strength knowing we have actually developed other trade markets sure would be a benefit right now, but as it stands the US knows we are pretty much completely dependent on them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Canadians aren't obliged to take his concerns seriously if they are delivered with threat against our sovereignty. The US should communicate their concerns like adults and partners, not playground bullies.

Or better yet we shouldn't need the US to tell us what we are to do when it comes to ACTUALLY protecting our sovereignty as a country.

But here we are.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Alot of sentence paragraphs for a guy who couldn't care less.

Trudeau is terrible, especially the last 2-3 years, I wasn't defending him and don't think I ever have. Just pointing out that you pretented poorly, like the posts you were laughing out loud in capitals at

Now i laugh at yours!!

Hahaha.

You still haven't addressed the point.

You attacked the poster instead of the content.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Torture

A couple I'd give Trudeau credit for: $10/day daycare (Still a work in progress), legalized marijuana, dental and pharma care (limited and mainly because of the NDP but still), child care benefit, Trump v1.0 and CUSMA

A couple that he gets credit for, and not in a good way: immigration and housing (although housing is certainly not him alone, this had been on a bad trajectory but he didn't do a lot to stop or fix it), broken promise on delivering electoral reform.

I'm also of the view that Carbon tax was a good policy (*ducks for cover*), but he kind of torpedoed that one towards the end.

A lot of the child care benefit came out of the tax from created by Harper when he canceled the deductions for dependants and issued checks and means testing the UCB. So adding means testing to the child benefits was good but I don’t see it as a real change from Trudeau. It was funny though when people blamed Trudeau for raising taxes when Harper removed the tax deduction to broke them for votes.

Daycare I think the implementation is poor but dedicating funding to childcare is good. From not being means tested to non licensed day homes not being eligible it misses a lot of opportunity to optimize the system. But it’s fair to give credit.

I had forgotten about weed as it just never affected me

The problem with these programs though is the tax changes required to pay for them were never made. And this is probably my biggest criticism of all our politicians. None will tax the middle class more. So deficit funded permenemt programs probably shouldn’t be given any credit and neither should deficit funded tax cuts.

You do bring up some good points on what he accomplished.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Now i laugh at yours!!

Hahaha.

You still haven't addressed the point.

You attacked the poster instead of the content.

I'm attacking the poster instead of the content? What content is that? This is the post I replied to initially a post, just a nonsense post with an epic LOL to cap it off. So maybe climb off that high horse content king.

Originally Posted by transplant99

This thread is becoming epic.

Keep it going!!!

LOL

As for addressing the killer content in your reply to me.. yeah.. I don't care about Justin Trudeau, I've never been a booster, I've never defended him, I don't think he's a good leader (especially since 2021 election) and I have absolutely zero desire. He's definitely in the bottom 23 however.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BigThief

I'm attacking the poster instead of the content? What content is that? This is the post I replied to initially a post, just a nonsense post with an epic LOL to cap it off. So maybe climb off that high horse content king.

Careful or he’s going to start losing it and weirdly ask you if YOU need a mental health break.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by chemgear

This only encourages Canadians to have more children you freeloaders. This only adds to the sheer amount of environment damage that the horrific levels of carbon that is being produced by this country that is overwhelming the world. ####, having a kid is the single worst action you can take in this climate emergency and we're financially encouraging it? Madness! It's an emergency and all you disgusting people are just ####ing like rabbits when you can't even afford it yourself.

/s

Making babies is fun though.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Azure

We've had an economic union for decades. There is nothing wrong with understanding that Canada can benefit from trading with the biggest economy in the world.

The problem is our leadership is weak and has spent decades putting Canada into a position where we are completely dependent on the US for trade.

Being able to deal with the Trump Administration from a position of strength knowing we have actually developed other trade markets sure would be a benefit right now, but as it stands the US knows we are pretty much completely dependent on them.

We don’t have economic union though. Frankly we have a trade agreement, which the US has violated repeatedly on some products and commodities. And now we have a trade war (or the beginning of one). The last thing we need is more ties economically where we can’t control our destiny. Things like common currency are a complete non-starter for me. Frankly, I felt that some of the provisions in the original free trade agreement were too much (again my opinion as a Canadian nationalist).

[Mr.Coffee]

At the end of the day Canada is a country of 40 million people sitting against the world’s largest economic, military and (probably) cultural superpower. If they really want to take over Canada or inflict economic pain until we decide to join them, they can. Maybe this was inevitable, Trump or not, over the long term. Does the EU benefit from being a larger regional superpower? Do the people there benefit? Did England harm itself by going independent of the EU? I know that’s not a perfect proxy.

I like free health care, I like my kids not being shot at in schools. But I suspect things would be economically superior (wouldn’t they?) if we were one country. We also would then have guaranteed US protections militarily and economically. Our education system is superior and things like poverty are less here (for now).

I would imagine the average Canadian standard of living decreases in a union but probably not to an extent that’s worth risking one’s life to go fight them at the border and inevitably die so at the end of the day if they truly want Canada they will take it- let’s get real here.


At the end of the day the fact Trump is using this particular point in time to do what he’s doing is largely due to how Trudeau and the Liberals have severely divided this country and managed it into the ground. Just not sure how that’s even debatable really.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Azure

We've had an economic union for decades. There is nothing wrong with understanding that Canada can benefit from trading with the biggest economy in the world.

The problem is our leadership is weak and has spent decades putting Canada into a position where we are completely dependent on the US for trade.

Being able to deal with the Trump Administration from a position of strength knowing we have actually developed other trade markets sure would be a benefit right now, but as it stands the US knows we are pretty much completely dependent on them.

We are going to get taken to the wood shed in the first quarter of 2025. Hopefully it spurs some learnings that get acted upon.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

At the end of the day Canada is a country of 40 million people sitting against the world’s largest economic, military and (probably) cultural superpower. If they really want to take over Canada or inflict economic pain until we decide to join them, they can. Maybe this was inevitable, Trump or not, over the long term. Does the EU benefit from being a larger regional superpower? Do the people there benefit? Did England harm itself by going independent of the EU? I know that’s not a perfect proxy.

I like free health care, I like my kids not being shot at in schools. But I suspect things would be economically superior (wouldn’t they?) if we were one country. We also would then have guaranteed US protections militarily and economically. Our education system is superior and things like poverty are less here (for now).

I would imagine the average Canadian standard of living decreases in a union but probably not to an extent that’s worth risking one’s life to go fight them at the border and inevitably die so at the end of the day if they truly want Canada they will take it- let’s get real here.


At the end of the day the fact Trump is using this particular point in time to do what he’s doing is largely due to how Trudeau and the Liberals have severely divided this country and managed it into the ground. Just not sure how that’s even debatable really.

Why is Trudeau always blamed for division, and not the PPC, and guys like PP and Smith who advocate tearing down our Canadian traditions and institutions? PP calling our indigenous lazy. Like, who's more divisive? I think that's a claptrap bull#### excuse to throw at Trudeau's feet, just because he didn't go out and glad hand a bunch of angry selfish ####faces. And if you want to blame Trudeau, you can't really neglect to mention all of the above. And that really makes the whole thing moot, because the ones you aren't mentioning are far worse.

[Mr.Coffee]

Uh huh.

I mean it’s probably because the Libs have been in power for a decade and have been the worst / most corrupt government in history, and then basically pitted east against west for a number of reasons but okay.

[Fuzz]

I guess I disagree there has been any pitting. I get you disagree on energy and environment policy, but that just happens to have geography involved, not because of it.

[Mr.Coffee]

It’s cool, we can agree to disagree. I acknowledge this is a tough timeline for Canadians and I’m not a fan of Trumps comments either. I mean… I guess if we can’t be our own country I’d rather the Americans come invade us over say like the Russians or Chinese lol

[Fuzz]

Can't, like, the Spanish invade us or something? They are usually pretty chill.

[Doctorfever]

I would be surprised if whoever wins the Liberal leadership even has the carbon tax in their platform for the next election.

Such a terrible tax, I doubt the Liberals would even attempt to keep it past the election.