2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by browntrout

If it takes a 7-8 year deal to sign a player north of 8 million....he is just not worth that. His age, lack of offensive pop is what concerns me. I would offer him 7 million at 7 years. I don't see a team offering him 8 million over 7 years, in a contract year his numbers are unimpressive

Assuming this is Lindholm, he can get to multiple teams at 7x7. If that is the contract then it won’t be here and I’m still fine with it

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

That is not what I said...

Yeah, that's exactly what you said.

You are out here saying I'm "Nuts" for saying Lindholm has as much or more value than Horvat. Lets see.

Come on, stop being a massive homer and recognize there are better players out there than ours. Horvat is no longer a Canuck so its okay to recognize he's a quality player. Horvat is just as solid defensively as Lindholm and is clearly better than Lindholm offensively over the past two seasons. Horvat's deal will be the model for a Lindholm deal, so we will likely see. Will Lindholm return a better pick than #17, a "B" prospect like Raty, and a roster player like Beauviller, with only 25% retention.

I notice you also think Markstom can't get a good return or any other Flames player...bit of a trend

No, I think the Flames can get good returns on their players, just not some of the asinine suggestions floating around. I've posted a number of reasonable proposals where the Flames recoup a solid haul, just without the big names of bluechip prospect and young roster players that are never available at the deadline. There is potential in some of these deals if the Flames pick the right "B" level prospects.

Markstrom is tough trade because he's trying to recover from a brutal season after an epic playoff meltdown and has a very hefty cap hit with two more years remaining. Goaltenders also rarely generate a big return. Feel free to prove this wrong by posting a deal or two where a goaltender returned the bluechip player you believe to be coming back. You're going to be hard pressed to find one, and two is out of the question. Goaltenders are a massive uncertainty so teams usually don't give up a lot for them.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yeah, that's exactly what you said.



Come on, stop being a massive homer and recognize there are better players out there than ours. Horvat is no longer a Canuck so its okay to recognize he's a quality player. Horvat is just as solid defensively as Lindholm and is clearly better than Lindholm offensively over the past two seasons. Horvat's deal will be the model for a Lindholm deal, so we will likely see. Will Lindholm return a better pick than #17, a "B" prospect like Raty, and a roster player like Beauviller, with only 25% retention.



No, I think the Flames can get good returns on their players, just not some of the asinine suggestions floating around. I've posted a number of reasonable proposals where the Flames recoup a solid haul, just without the big names of bluechip prospect and young roster players that are never available at the deadline. There is potential in some of these deals if the Flames pick the right "B" level prospects.

Markstrom is tough trade because he's trying to recover from a brutal season after an epic playoff meltdown and has a very hefty cap hit with two more years remaining. Goaltenders also rarely generate a big return. Feel free to prove this wrong by posting a deal or two where a goaltender returned the bluechip player you believe to be coming back. You're going to be hard pressed to find one, and two is out of the question. Goaltenders are a massive uncertainty so teams usually don't give up a lot for them.

I didn't, I said being a finalist for a major NHL award is a factor...reputation is always a factor. Lindholm is seen as a VERY good 2 way center

Lindholm if traded is going to get a similar package as Horvat IMO, maybe better.

Markstom is getting a haul or not getting traded

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I didn't, I said being a finalist for a major NHL award is a factor.

Who do you think decides who wins these awards? Is it hockey people, or is it a popularity vote by a bunch of journalists?

Lindholm if traded is going to get a similar package as Horvat IMO, maybe better.

So a 1st, probably in the 20-32 range, a "B" level prospect, and lower level roster player. Glad you're coming around to reality.

Markstom is getting a haul or not getting traded

Define "a haul".

I see a haul as two good assets, probably a "B" level prospect and a decent draft pick like a conditional 1st/2nd with the condition being making it deep in the playoffs during any of the three possible seasons Markstrom plays for the team, which means a pick possibly way out in the future. That would be a big return on a goaltender with a $6M cap hit and a limited track record of success in the playoffs.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Edit.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Who do you think decides who wins these awards? Is it hockey people, or is it a popularity vote by a bunch of journalists?

So a 1st, probably in the 20-32 range, a "B" level prospect, and lower level roster player. Glad you're coming around to reality.

Define "a haul".

I see a haul as two good assets, probably a "B" level prospect and a decent draft pick like a conditional 1st/2nd with the condition being making it deep in the playoffs during any of the three possible seasons Markstrom plays for the team, which means a pick possibly way out in the future. That would be a big return on a goaltender with a $6M cap hit and a limited track record of success in the playoffs.

Holy hell, do you have a Spur in your side? I know you're the pessimist or "realist" but you've made your point. Over and over and over. And over. Unless an offer comes in that exceeds your own definition of a haul, he remains a Flame. Very simple. And I'd wager that the "popularity vote by a bunch of journalists" does actually align with GM's thoughts and scouting reports for players around the league.

Maybe just agree to disagree and if people are too optimistic, just wait for your inevitable "told you so" post when trades actually go down.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yeah, that's exactly what you said.



Come on, stop being a massive homer and recognize there are better players out there than ours. Horvat is no longer a Canuck so its okay to recognize he's a quality player. Horvat is just as solid defensively as Lindholm and is clearly better than Lindholm offensively over the past two seasons. Horvat's deal will be the model for a Lindholm deal, so we will likely see. Will Lindholm return a better pick than #17, a "B" prospect like Raty, and a roster player like Beauviller, with only 25% retention.



No, I think the Flames can get good returns on their players, just not some of the asinine suggestions floating around. I've posted a number of reasonable proposals where the Flames recoup a solid haul, just without the big names of bluechip prospect and young roster players that are never available at the deadline. There is potential in some of these deals if the Flames pick the right "B" level prospects.

Markstrom is tough trade because he's trying to recover from a brutal season after an epic playoff meltdown and has a very hefty cap hit with two more years remaining. Goaltenders also rarely generate a big return. Feel free to prove this wrong by posting a deal or two where a goaltender returned the bluechip player you believe to be coming back. You're going to be hard pressed to find one, and two is out of the question. Goaltenders are a massive uncertainty so teams usually don't give up a lot for them.

Saying Bo Horvat is just as good as Lindholm defensively is one of the most laughable things I have read on here in a while, you can't accuse others of making outlandish homer statements and then do the same thing about another player in the same post.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Who do you think decides who wins these awards? Is it hockey people, or is it a popularity vote by a bunch of journalists?



So a 1st, probably in the 20-32 range, a "B" level prospect, and lower level roster player. Glad you're coming around to reality.



Define "a haul".

I see a haul as two good assets, probably a "B" level prospect and a decent draft pick like a conditional 1st/2nd with the condition being making it deep in the playoffs during any of the three possible seasons Markstrom plays for the team, which means a pick possibly way out in the future. That would be a big return on a goaltender with a $6M cap hit and a limited track record of success in the playoffs.

For Lindholm, I don't think that Conroy is going for quantity, but rather quality. So instead of a roster player and B prospect, probably combining them for one high risk/high reward player and a later 1st.

A 'haul' for Markstrom is clearly a high recent 1st. Thus the request for one of New Jersey's recent first round selections. That cuts into the risk factor and also is a very significant return. Markstrom not officially being on the block allows Conroy to be a bit of a bully.

[stemit14]

Seems like the the bottom lines of the team are consistently struggling this season. Not sure what can/should be done right now or even this season. The solution might come in the form of Coronato and Pelletier. If Posposil is out long term, I could see Coronato getting called up. If he fits in just as well or better with Zary and Kadri… then Posposil might do really well bringing something to the fourth line.

On defence… Oesterle and DeSimone especially struggled against the leafs. And while they have been ok in limited minutes, their struggles are very obvious as they pretty consistently get hemmed in. It will help a little once Gilbert returns and help a lot if Kyllington returns as well. Not sure if both Hanifin and Tanev will get re-signed (doubtful on Tanev) but if they do, I could see something like this post-trade deadline:

Huberdeau-Sharangovich-Pelletier
Zary-Kadri-Coronato
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Posposil-Dube-Greer

Hanifin-Tanev
Weegar-Andersson
Gilbert-Kyllington

Thin up the middle. Strong on defence. Still don’t know what to think of the fourth line. It will at least have an identity as a physical line though.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Who do you think decides who wins these awards? Is it hockey people, or is it a popularity vote by a bunch of journalists?



So a 1st, probably in the 20-32 range, a "B" level prospect, and lower level roster player. Glad you're coming around to reality.



Define "a haul".

I see a haul as two good assets, probably a "B" level prospect and a decent draft pick like a conditional 1st/2nd with the condition being making it deep in the playoffs during any of the three possible seasons Markstrom plays for the team, which means a pick possibly way out in the future. That would be a big return on a goaltender with a $6M cap hit and a limited track record of success in the playoffs.

So the Horvat deal...which is what I ####ing said

And the Flames won't trade Markstom for your lame package (that's what she said probably) so again

IF he is traded it will be for a haul, IF

Markstom has also played 3 stellar playoff series and one poor one fyi

I can see it now, Flames trade Lindholm for a first and he wins the cup...you come here saying I told you so because Lindholm was only worth the 32nd pick not the 17th like Horvat

[OILFAN #81]

I made a post a few weeks ago about the Sharks inquiring about Dube. Had a company dinner tonight and Anthony Duclair is available for trade. He’s been benched multiple games this week and those in Sharks staff that I spoke with said they have spoken to teams about him already. I’m not suggesting for Dube. Just saying Duclair is being shopped already.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I made a post a few weeks ago about the Sharks inquiring about Dube. Had a company dinner tonight and Anthony Duclair is available for trade. He’s been benched multiple games this week and those in Sharks staff that I spoke with said they have spoken to teams about him already. I’m not suggesting for Dube. Just saying Duclair is being shopped already.

DONT KNOW IF THE Flames really need to explore acquiring DuClair now that Hubey has found Sharkbait as a suitable line mate

[dino7c]

I would trade Dube for him...worth finding out how Duclair might do in Calgary before giving him a contract

Dube is honestly worthless to the team right now, he does absolutely nothing

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So the Horvat deal...which is what I ####ing said

Except it isn't. You can't seem to differentiate between "A" and "B" level prospects. You're tossing around names that no team in their right mind is going to giving up for a rental. Look at any team's prospect list and strike the top five for almost all of them. Start looking at 6-10. Those are the players you're going to see. And stop suggesting young players already on the NHL roster either. In a capped league those young guys are the ones that keep the cap under control, so no one is going to cough up a cost controlled player for a rental.

And the Flames won't trade Markstom for your lame package (that's what she said probably) so again

IF he is traded it will be for a haul, IF

With what you're expecting, he isn't getting traded. You can't point to a single trade for a goaltender that returns what your expecting. A top prospect or a top performing young player on an NHL roster? Has never happened.

Markstom has also played 3 stellar playoff series and one poor one fyi

In your opinion. The book on Markstrom is he'll play one good one then one bad one. He did that in Vancouver and he's continued that pattern in Calgary.

I can see it now, Flames trade Lindholm for a first and he wins the cup...you come here saying I told you so because Lindholm was only worth the 32nd pick not the 17th like Horvat

No, I tend to be a lot more analytic than that. I've always given credit where credit is due when good deals are struck. I'll do the same at the time of the deal and not wait until a pick changes from 28th to 32nd should a team win the cup. The deal breaker will be the other components of the deal. The prospect and the dump will determine how good a return comes back. The draft pick is almost meaningless in comparison as the 2024 pick will never be as good or valuable as the 2023 pick strictly on the quality and depth of the draft class. We knew that coming in. The picks are considered a wash so long as a 1st rounder is acquired in the 2024 draft and doesn't turn into a pick in a later draft or becomes a conditional pick. The tangible players will determine the success of the trade.

[Royle9]

I'd take a flyer on Duclair, not only because he's had success with Huberdeau but he's got soft hands and great wheels. His compete can be spotty at times but definitely worth it for this group I think.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Can’t be worse than Dube

[Toonage]

Agreed that with how Sharangovich is doing with Huberdeau it isn't worth it torching that pair just to try Duclair here. He'd end up on our 4L and we have other home grown players that can fit there.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Agreed that with how Sharangovich is doing with Huberdeau it isn't worth it torching that pair just to try Duclair here. He'd end up on our 4L and we have other home grown players that can fit there.

Completely agree.

Flames should be focusing on acquiring a younger centre who could compliment both Sharky and Huberdeau. Wingers aren't a priority at the moment, especially when dealing Lindy.

Look for a similar deal that we did with Toffoli for Lindy and hope to strike gold once again.

[1qqaaz]

Would the Flames have to add in a Dube for Duclair swap?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Would the Flames have to add in a Dube for Duclair swap?

Doubtful. I think it is a change of scenery deal for both and the Sharks would receive a player that will still be an RFA when his contract is up. There is benefit in this deal for them.