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Dean Phillips.. if Dems really want to win they should go with Tulsi Gabbard!

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Originally Posted by Azure

And now we have POTUS deciding he isn't running for President....

Too bad nothing actually was able to look beyond their partisan politics months ago and stop covering up that Biden wasn't the way forward, and allowed Biden to drop out, give proper time for a proper candidate to run.

Pick a lane

[Azure]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Yeah, Dean Phillips really had the star power and national recognition that would have put the Democrats over the top, LOL.

Someone, like. Doesn't necessarily mean him. There are of course other candidates as well, but I guess nobody wanted to put their hat in the ring as they would have gotten just as marginalized as Phillips was for daring to say that Biden wasn't a viable candidate going forward.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

You appear to be unnecessarily defensive. When you said “But hey, literally nothing strange about what happened” that implies to the reader you believe there’s something else beyond the official explanation of incompetence going on. Considering your long term and certainly your more recent posting history along with your temperament it isn’t irrational to conclude you might mean something of a more conspiratorial nature happened.

Originally Posted by Azure

And another addition to the ignore list.

LOL, for that? A calm and considered response to your rant?

Come on man, if you really claim to be a defender of liberty and free speech, you can't seriously be upset when someone calls you on your bull#### in a normal and genial tone. You're gonna have nobody left to rant to if you keep this up.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Azure

Someone, like. Doesn't necessarily mean him. There are of course other candidates as well, but I guess nobody wanted to put their hat in the ring as they would have gotten just as marginalized as Phillips was for daring to say that Biden wasn't a viable candidate going forward.

It wasn't 'daring' of him to speak out against Biden as a candidate; it was stupid. This is Public Communications 101. Stick to the story, stick to the talking points, pivot as a group when ready. Like exactly what they've done.

I also happen to think the timing was extraordinary (likely by chance...I'm not crediting the dems with having a crystal ball on the shooting). Announcing he's withdrawing after the RNC and after the shooting couldn't have been timed better. Plus it let the Republicans devote a ton of resources to battling Biden only to have all that mean nothing.

But some lone wolf saying out loud what became 100% obvious after the debate - and to the detriment of his own political party and supposed political goals - shows he's a numbskull. No point in Biden stepping aside until they have the strategy nailed down. This guy flapping his gums did nothing to help the dems, so how was it a good idea?

Have you considered just reading the thread for a bit? Your contributions are funny and good to keep the conversation going, but are you cognizant of how you come across? Like...IDK...do you think we're we're just so caught up in our libtard bubble that we can't see how dumb we are and how smart you are?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

LOL, for that? A calm and considered response to your rant?

Come on man, if you really claim to be a defender of liberty and free speech, you can't seriously be upset when someone calls you on your bull#### in a normal and genial tone. You're gonna have nobody left to rant to if you keep this up.

I've been around here long enough to know that just like in the Israel thread, its usually better to put people on ignore because they have zero interest in a good faith discussion, and just love labelling people cause someone says something they don't agree with.

I have been saying the same thing for months.

Trump is real danger to win the election.
Things are not as rosy under the Biden administration to the typical American as the typical Canadian thinks, most of whom can't understand why Canadians want to vote for PP., just like they don't understand why someone would vote for Trump.
Biden staying in the race is an issue for the Democrats and increases the chances of Trump winning.
That the Democrats have spent months, if not years covering up the fact that Biden is actually old and should retire. Likely has major health issues as well which makes it even worse.
Harris is a terrible candidate (worst rating for Vice President ever, and think about it, there have been some morons sitting in the VP chair and none of them have had such a terrible rating) and her running is not the boon for the Democrats that people think.

Now add, Trump almost being assassinated likely would have brought the US close to major riots / civil war status, and the fact that it has gotten this far is actually kind of concerning. And despite what Sliver keeps babbling about, it is actually far more important as a news story than Americans realize. Understandable why both Democrats & Republicans were pissed off at the Secret Service director and basically exposed her as an incompetent and useless moron leading to her resignation. But, luckily like Sliver babbled about as well, she was able to 'cross the Ts and dot the Is' before she fell on the sword.

Sure I could be wrong on all of it.

But then again 2016 happened, and a lot of the same people on here going 'Trump will never win' also said the same thing then.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Sliver

It wasn't 'daring' of him to speak out against Biden as a candidate; it was stupid. This is Public Communications 101. Stick to the story, stick to the talking points, pivot as a group when ready. Like exactly what they've done.

I also happen to think the timing was extraordinary (likely by chance...I'm not crediting the dems with having a crystal ball on the shooting). Announcing he's withdrawing after the RNC and after the shooting couldn't have been timed better. Plus it let the Republicans devote a ton of resources to battling Biden only to have all that mean nothing.

But some lone wolf saying out loud what became 100% obvious after the debate - and to the detriment of his own political party and supposed political goals - shows he's a numbskull. No point in Biden stepping aside until they have the strategy nailed down. This guy flapping his gums did nothing to help the dems, so how was it a good idea?

Have you considered just reading the thread for a bit? Your contributions are funny and good to keep the conversation going, but are you cognizant of how you come across? Like...IDK...do you think we're we're just so caught up in our libtard bubble that we can't see how dumb we are and how smart you are?

It was stupid? To point out the obvious? And for the record there were people within the Democrat Party pointing out the issue with Biden as far back as 2021.

"Stick to the talking points even though we all know Biden has no clue what is going on." Very democratic.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

You keep going with that sass and you’re gonna end up on the ignore list, buddy.

Dean Phillips is an amazing candidate as far as right wingers are concerned. I’ve never heard a single liberal breathe word of him but he’s gotta be good

"And another to the ignore list, because they consistently counter my posts with points I can't refute."

[starseed]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/har...ds-2024-07-23/


Kamala flips the lead! Very shrewd to make this move and take all of the wind out of the sails of the GOP after the convention, VP pick, and failed assassination attempt. The Democrats couldn't have timed it better.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by starseed

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/har...ds-2024-07-23/


Kamala flips the lead! Very shrewd to make this move and take all of the wind out of the sails of the GOP after the convention, VP pick, and failed assassination attempt. The Democrats couldn't have timed it better.

Oh Kamala is laughing alright...

[Senator Clay Davis]

Yeah, but Dean Phillips would be up five points instead, so who gives a ####?

[starseed]

I really was starting to tune out American politics, as I am constantly surrounded by trump fanatics. They were literally crying tears of joy watching Trump's speech at the RNC.


Now, just a week later, it feels like 2008 again. Harris is the perfect candidate to take out Trump, with the perfect campaign theme. The prosecutor vs the convicted felon.


Still a long way to go, but it feels like there is light at the end of the dark tunnel.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Azure

It was stupid? To point out the obvious? And for the record there were people within the Democrat Party pointing out the issue with Biden as far back as 2021.

"Stick to the talking points even though we all know Biden has no clue what is going on." Very democratic.

Yes. It was stupid. That's why only the stupid ones did it. And why stupid people think it was smart of him to do it.

Has it occurred to you that Republicans and Fox News have a vested interest in making the dems look like disorganized sht shows? A monkey like this just feeds that narrative Fox pushes.

So yes, it was clear Biden was too old, I don't think anybody loved him, but most left-leaning people appreciated the team he assembled and preferred dem policies to republican ones. And also most left people don't want a moronic psycho in office, so Biden was always a vote against Trump.

The debate was perfect because it was so egregiously bad for Biden that everyone knew he wouldn't be running after that. It made it impossible, so was a bit of a relief that Biden's hand was forced once and for all.

But I agree that many dems thought Biden wasn't the right choice for 2024. He was supposed to be a one-term president and it was frustrating nobody was being groomed in that past four years to be an obvious choice to run. Hopefully Harris can pull this off. I have to say, I do prefer her to Biden, so I'm glad she's in and he's out. I don't find her to be particularly charismatic, but Obama-level charisma is likely a once in a generation thing. There just aren't that many humans of his caliber walking around looking to take on the crappiest job in the world.

[dino7c]

Dems are gonna do better than their polling IMO. Young people are gonna end the Trump nonsense.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Sliver

but Obama-level charisma is likely a once in a generation thing. There just aren't that many humans of his caliber walking around looking to take on the crappiest job in the world.

He would be allowed to run again after a break right? That would be wild - he'd have the name recognition/pull to take the nomination if he wanted it, and is likely a shoo-in vs Trump whereas I think Harris wins a close race.

You're right about that being a terrible job though, he probably doesn't want it again, even though he is 15+ years younger than Trump.

[marsplasticeraser]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Hopefully Harris can pull this off. I have to say, I do prefer her to Biden, so I'm glad she's in and he's out. I don't find her to be particularly charismatic, but Obama-level charisma is likely a once in a generation thing. There just aren't that many humans of his caliber walking around looking to take on the crappiest job in the world.

Do many people actually know much about Harris?

I'm definitely more informed than most Americans on their politics, but I know almost nothing about her, and have never heard more than a soundbite.

I'm saying this as I suspect there are a lot of people who actually don't know much about her, haven't heard her debate or give a speech, and have a somewhat open mind.

Now knowing nothing about something doesn't matter to many people, and I'd guess 60% of americans either love or hate her already and nothing will change their mind.

But I bet there's a big number of people that will be open to learn about her and see how she performs.

The point of this is that it seems logical that how she performs in debates and speeches will have an outsized impact on her polling numbers compared to past canddiates and elections.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Dems are gonna do better than their polling IMO. Young people are gonna end the Trump nonsense.

Hopefully the Democrats aren't relying on this. They need a kick ass campaign

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Hopefully the Democrats aren't relying on this. They need a kick ass campaign

Well she has an epic amount of money to campaign with, so it should be a ride!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Not to mention she can save a bit of money on ads by just using this old chestnut.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1197243216132804608

[ResAlien]

Temper your expectations. Four months is an eternity especially in this political climate. Why only a week back it was a stone cold lock Trumps as winning remember? And now no one gives a toss that a conservative kid took a potshot at Trump and nicked his ear. The 24 hour news cycle is chewing up and spitting out what used to be career ending or career boosting events with shocking regularity. The only thing for sure is that it’s going to be a ride.