Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Monahammer]

Selling the refinery to a private interest at a loss when it has FINALLY started to actually make money is pretty funny and IMO right on brand for these jagoffs.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yes and no.

They 'retire' and start collecting their full pensions, but they continue to work.

So they're collecting a full salary and a full pension and removing a spot from a younger teacher.

You got a weird hang up on Teachers, man

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Selling the refinery to a private interest at a loss when it has FINALLY started to actually make money is pretty funny and IMO right on brand for these jagoffs.

That's the whole point, subsidize the losses and privatize the profits. The conservative ethos is enriching themselves and their donors above all else

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yes and no.

They 'retire' and start collecting their full pensions, but they continue to work.

So they're collecting a full salary and a full pension and removing a spot from a younger teacher.

Sorry I'm not understanding.

Are you saying that teachers retire, collect a full pension but continue to work as teachers?

I don't understand how that would work.

I know some teachers that are planning 2nd careers when they retire, but I don't understand how they can retire as teachers, collect a pension and still work as a teacher.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sorry I'm not understanding.

Are you saying that teachers retire, collect a full pension but continue to work as teachers?

I don't understand how that would work.

I know some teachers that are planning 2nd careers when they retire, but I don't understand how they can retire as teachers, collect a pension and still work as a teacher.

Dude, government employees does this on the regular.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Dude, government employees does this on the regular.

Ok I'm not saying this doesn't happen, cuz I don't know one way or another.

I'm saying I don't understand how this happens.

Are teachers being hired back as contract teachers?

My buddy "retired" then was hired back by his company as a contractor for more $$. He has a niche skillset in O&G.

I'm just looking to understand the mechanics of how this happens with teachers.

[Muta]

That happens? Every retired Alberta teacher I know (including several family members), this isn't the case at all.

[fotze2]

I've heard Police get pensions/retirement benefits that put all other government/private employees to shame. Not getting into the deserve it or not part.

Is that true?

[Canadianman]

what a strange discussion. Why does it matter if someone retires and then re-enters the workforce?

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

what a strange discussion. Why does it matter if someone retires and then re-enters the workforce?

Because talking about dumb crap is the entire premise of a message board.

[Ozy_Flame]

We're demonizing teachers for them taking spots from Gen Z'ers, they all do it, and collection a taxpayer pension while they're doing it, get out of the way or get run over

[belsarius]

Air Traffic Control is the same. The old guys "retire" but they "don't have" enough young workers coming in, so the retired guys get contracted back for more than they were making on salary.

And I quote "don't have" because they are terrible at recruiting. I went through the program and I get needing high standards, but a lot of the hoops a new trainee goes through isn't about their skills, its about keep down the number of new entrants, especially in some specialties.

So it is actual a prevalent thing in a lot of jobs.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

You got a weird hang up on Teachers, man

Because I dont like how the system works?

And everyone just catalogues it as 'you've got some weird thing about teachers man!'

No. I just understand a broken system when I see one.

Two of my daughters are teachers. I have nothing 'against' them, but that system isnt going to last long if its being sucked dry by the older members.

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sorry I'm not understanding.

Are you saying that teachers retire, collect a full pension but continue to work as teachers?

I don't understand how that would work.

I know some teachers that are planning 2nd careers when they retire, but I don't understand how they can retire as teachers, collect a pension and still work as a teacher.

Thats exactly what happens. It happens all the time.

I literally do their taxes and they'll collect their pension and still be working for the School Board full time.

There is no rule that the 'retired' can't continue to work.

[Eric Vail]

Teachers and their employers contribute to a pension fund. Teachers are eligible at 55 years old to retire (assuming they started at 23 or so) and start collecting their pension. This is not "taxpayer money" anymore than the RRSPs you have in the bank from money you have earned is "taxpayer money".

Retired teachers are only able to work 50%-60% of the year, or it begins to impact their pension.

There is a shortage of teachers across Canada. If retired teachers weren't filling in as substitute teachers or for short term contracts, we would have a big problem.

What is the outrage about? Some people clearly hate teachers.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

what a strange discussion. Why does it matter if someone retires and then re-enters the workforce?

Ding. Ding. Exactly.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Do teachers take more parental leave than people in other professions? If not, then this is just an individual's choice to trade time off while young in exchange for working more later in life.

I think the big thing there is most jobs don't offer people that opportunity, so if it is available to teachers, that's just yet another perk of being a teacher and not something we need to feel bad for them about. It's a sweet deal. Anybody else would lose their job for that and be starting from square one when they finally decided to get back to work.

What do you think happens to teachers who take time off for parental leave?

They lose their positions and start from scratch when they want to return.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

What is the outrage about? Some people clearly hate teachers.

Teachers are overpaid, entitled scum of the earth!
But wait...we need more teachers! Why doesn't anybody want to be a teacher anymore??


Unfortunately 'old people' returning to work and blocking career advancement/positions for the younger generation happens in a lot more industries than just teaching or nursing.

[Torture]

The current trend of anti-Boomer anger centers on the accusation that Baby Boomers have taken all the good jobs. They refuse to surrender their job privilege and remain gainfully employed, despite the entreaties of younger workers begging for a chance to advance. The Millennials, Generation-Z and Gen-Xers say they’re stuck in their jobs and can’t advance because the Boomers just won’t leave. According to a recent USA TODAY/LinkedIn survey of 1,019 working professionals, 41% of Millennials—and 30% of all adults—reported that it's difficult to advance within their fields because Boomers are waiting longer to retire.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkel...h=7d6fea207278

A new study by Kellogg assistant professor of strategy Nicola Bianchi and Matteo Paradisi of the Einaudi Institute for Economics and Finance shows why.

In short, the Boomers benefited from a variety of structural changes to the labor market. These shifts—like delayed retirement, the high cost of moving jobs, and stagnant firm growth—have been a boon to older workers, keeping them in higher-paying positions for longer.

This comes at the expense of younger workers, who cannot reach the ranks held by older workers. Instead, they face lower wages, slow career growth, and more frequent job changes.

https://insight.kellogg.northwestern...cant-get-ahead

Record-breaking shares of Americans plan to work longer. An April 2018 Gallup poll showed 41 percent expect to be working beyond age 65 — a huge jump since Gallup started tracking in 1995, when it averaged 13.5 percent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...one-last-mess/

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Torture

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkel...h=7d6fea207278


https://insight.kellogg.northwestern...cant-get-ahead


https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...one-last-mess/

This aren't Canadian studies and they clearly aren't about teachers. They are about the "higher paying jobs". Teachers are all paid by the same collective agreement. A ten year teacher makes the same as a 40 year teacher.

It sounds more corporate to me.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

What do you think happens to teachers who take time off for parental leave?

They lose their positions and start from scratch when they want to return.

Is that accurate though? I don't think it's legal to just fire someone or not have a position for them to go back to? Maybe they don't necessarily stay at the same school teaching the same things, but it's not like you take time for parental leave and then find yourself out of a job and starting at entry level salary? That just sounds wrong.