What to do with Huberdeau?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

If I was GM I’d be looking at players internally and upcoming draft picks that could fill the role instead of outside help. It would make sense to me to watch how Huberty and Pelletier gel once they are playing together again and assess from there.

I'm starting to think that Treliving and Conroy, are quite different in their approach. It got me wondering if Conroy would have brought in a player like Huberdeau, or if he is more confident it is ability to access talent. The patience and not quickly making changes by bringing players in is refreshing. Can't wait to see how things play out adding Pelletier. Like Kadri, adding a couple young skilled players who look up to and want to complement Huberdeau might be just what he needs. Add Coronato next season and that's a strong blend of vets and youth.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Kadri was probably the worst Flame last year, and didn't look good until he got the right guys on his line though. Why is it different for Huberdeau. Kadri was absolutely awful last year, and wasn't anything special to start the year. Then he was put with the right guys and is now on our best line. That's what we need. Backlund and Coleman aren't it, and will never be it. At least one of them needs to be replaced on that line.

Mangiapane should go back with Backlund and Coleman, and Huberdeau should go with Sharangovich and Lindholm. At the very least Huberdeau will be able to try and set up a guy with a good shot in Sharangovich.

Kadri as the "worst player" last season put up one more point than Hubredeau scoring within his expected point totals over his career.

If Hudredeau is only able to put up Kadri numbers that is a major problem.

Hubredeau has been tried with multiple different linemates and still can't make it work. He is constantly outproduced by these inferior linemates as well which is odd since they are the problems supposedly.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Stole this from Scorp's Twitter but it's an interesting comparison https://x.com/miketgould/status/1736...104601237?s=46

Meier is another guy that went to a new team and has just looked terrible, like even worse than Huberdeau has looked.

In another "trade idea that NHL GMs would never actually make" post but:

Huberdeau: $10.5M
Markstrom: $3.0M ($6.0M w/50% retention)

Total: $13.5M

For

Meier: $8.8M
Palat: $4.5M ($6.0M w/25% retention)

Total: $13.3M

I actually have no doubt that Huberdeau would fit in more with the speedy centers and rush based offense that Hughes, Hischier, and Mercer provide

Meier has only played 42 games with NJ, and does have 25 points, or a pace of 27-22-49. He’s battled some injuries.

Like Huberdeau, he’s scoreless in December.

He also would fit in better with NJ’s centres, so not sure why he would approve a trade. Maybe if he continues to struggle for another year?

Likely depends on if NJ values Marky.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Kadri was probably the worst Flame last year, and didn't look good until he got the right guys on his line though. Why is it different for Huberdeau. Kadri was absolutely awful last year, and wasn't anything special to start the year. Then he was put with the right guys and is now on our best line. That's what we need. Backlund and Coleman aren't it, and will never be it. At least one of them needs to be replaced on that line.

Mangiapane should go back with Backlund and Coleman, and Huberdeau should go with Sharangovich and Lindholm. At the very least Huberdeau will be able to try and set up a guy with a good shot in Sharangovich.

Kadri started good last year then he quit on Sutter

In the middle he was doing kinda ok with Huberdeau until he quit

The young kids just showed up this year. Sutter never believed in kids

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Kadri as the "worst player" last season put up one more point than Hubredeau scoring within his expected point totals over his career.

If Hudredeau is only able to put up Kadri numbers that is a major problem.

Hubredeau has been tried with multiple different linemates and still can't make it work. He is constantly outproduced by these inferior linemates as well which is odd since they are the problems supposedly.

That’s because he relies on his team mates to get his points. He scored 30 several times before but he decided to be a passer only when he gets here.
Someone needs to tell him that he needs to score his own goals. That way they can’t just focus on covering his passes or his team mates.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Kadri as the "worst player" last season put up one more point than Hubredeau scoring within his expected point totals over his career.

If Hudredeau is only able to put up Kadri numbers that is a major problem.

Hubredeau has been tried with multiple different linemates and still can't make it work. He is constantly outproduced by these inferior linemates as well which is odd since they are the problems supposedly.

You really should look up how to spell his name there Spurts.
Yes, it, and you, are annoying.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Meier has only played 42 games with NJ, and does have 25 points, or a pace of 27-22-49. He’s battled some injuries.

Like Huberdeau, he’s scoreless in December.

He also would fit in better with NJ’s centres, so not sure why he would approve a trade. Maybe if he continues to struggle for another year?

Likely depends on if NJ values Marky.

As unlikely as it seems Huberdeau's P/GP as a Flame is actually better than Meier's as a Devil. And the underlying stats would say Huberdeau has been better defensively too.

Meier has 25 in 43: 0.58 P/GP, -17 (if you include his poor playoffs it's 29 in 54 or 0.54 P/GP)

Huberdeau has 70 in 110: 0.64 P/GP, -12

Meier doesn't have any trade protection this season according to Cap Friendly, it kicks in next season...so if the Devils feel like it's really not a fit and value Markstrom (they need goaltending badly) then they could have incentive to do it now.

Also Palat is overpaid as well, so helps them get out from that contract too.

[activeStick]

The drop off of Huberdeau's play is incredible. From breaking a record in points for his position to being a non-impact player with the Flames in I'm guessing 85% of the games he's played. It could change, but I don't see him ever getting near the level he was consistently at as a Panther (PPG). Probably averages out to be a 50-60 point player over the next 2-3 seasons for 10.5M before better options appear on the wings of the first 3 lines, and from there, I think he ends up down on the 4th line. The coaches have already decided (rightfully) he's better to not be on the PP and I think if someone shows they deserve being with Backlund and Coleman more, that's when Huberdeau's drop off really happens when he can't beat out the other guys for a spot on the top 3 lines and he finds himself playing with guys like Greer, etc.

[SuperMatt18]

The most frustrating part is that even if he was just a 70-80 point player we'd still hate the contract (wouldn't be worst in the league but still wouldn't be worth $10.5M) but the trade would still look pretty good.

70-80 point Huberdeau + Top Pairing Weegar would still look pretty good for Tkachuk.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The most frustrating part is that even if he was just a 70-80 point player we'd still hate the contract (wouldn't be worst in the league but still wouldn't be worth $10.5M) but the trade would still look pretty good.

70-80 point Huberdeau + Top Pairing Weegar would still look pretty good for Tkachuk.

especially recent Tkachuk

not to mention a first

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

especially recent Tkachuk

not to mention a first

Some of it is probably playoff hangover and injury recovery.

But i'd be a bit surprised if Tkachuk has a personal season as good as he had in 22-23 ever again.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

That’s because he relies on his team mates to get his points. He scored 30 several times before but he decided to be a passer only when he gets here.
Someone needs to tell him that he needs to score his own goals. That way they can’t just focus on covering his passes or his team mates.

If true then we are in trouble and Hubredeau should never been paid close to 10.5m.

[dirk diggler]

Treliving should have known it was an overpayment when Huberdeau likely jumped 5 feet across the table and signed it before it could be taken away. the "wizard" really left us a nice going away gift. I have come across guys in the past who always work soooooo hard, seldom do they work smart, i feel like that is the wizard.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Treliving should have known it was an overpayment when Huberdeau likely jumped 5 feet across the table and signed it before it could be taken away. the "wizard" really left us a nice going away gift. I have come across guys in the past who always work soooooo hard, seldom do they work smart, i feel like that is the wizard.

This suggests Huberdeau knew hew wasn't as good as the contract was calling for. I doubt that's the case.
No one saw this drop off coming.
Don't know why we need to exaggerate what happened.

[SuperMatt18]

I think it one of those ones where if you wanted to get Huberdeau signed that was the only deal he was going to take.

Gaudreau was just offered and turned down $10.5M from the Flames, and both were coming off 115 point seasons, of course Huberdeau and Walsh were going to hardline that's what their ask was.

They also knew the Flames would be a bit desperate to sign him after their 115 point player just walked, and their "unicorn" LW asked for a trade.

I don't see a scenario where the Flames could have signed Huberdeau for less that off-season, the only real thing would have been if they waited until in the season, and then they likely don't re-sign him at all because he wouldn't have wanted to stay, they would have never agreed on a contract, and he's probably moved at the deadline.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This suggests Huberdeau knew hew wasn't as good as the contract was calling for. I doubt that's the case.
No one saw this drop off coming.
Don't know why we need to exaggerate what happened.

Okay. And I think thats a fair statement, but I think it would also be fair to state that Treliving panicked with the GIANT extension contract despite having a year to evaluate.

I liken it to the Nurse contract where the Oilers extended him after the Bubble season despite having an entire additional year to evaluate his play in a normal season.

The Flames extended Huberdeau to a huge contract before he even set foot on Saddledome Ice.

Thats not good management.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This suggests Huberdeau knew hew wasn't as good as the contract was calling for. I doubt that's the case.
No one saw this drop off coming.
Don't know why we need to exaggerate what happened.

The real headscratcher is this idiotic bonus structure Treliving built into the Huberdeau contract. To me it signals a GM that already had a foot out the door and didn't care how bad the deal was, and a player that didn't want to sign unless the offer was too good to be true.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This suggests Huberdeau knew hew wasn't as good as the contract was calling for. I doubt that's the case.
No one saw this drop off coming.
Don't know why we need to exaggerate what happened.

Also toss in that Gaudreau contract terms that were public. Hard to justify offering Huberdeau less.

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

The real headscratcher is this idiotic bonus structure Treliving built into the Huberdeau contract. To me it signals a GM that already had a foot out the door and didn't care how bad the deal was, and a player that didn't want to sign unless the offer was too good to be true.

It was a copy and paste of Gaudreau's contract

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay. And I think thats a fair statement, but I think it would also be fair to state that Treliving panicked with the GIANT extension contract despite having a year to evaluate.

Thats not good management.

Easy to say in hindsight where we know he didn't perform up to his contract but can you imagine if he put up another 90-100 point season and then walked?

It was pretty much commit to him in that offseason or trade him.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Easy to say in hindsight where we know he didn't perform up to his contract but can you imagine if he put up another 90-100 point season and then walked?

It was pretty much commit to him in that offseason or trade him.

Treliving should have 'Tkachuked' him. Sign him to that $10.5Mx8 and immediately flipped him.