That was a really, really fun watch. Some fun interesting nuggets of info in there. Grusch mentioned that he personally knows colleagues who have been harmed and injured (and implied killed) regarding their efforts to hide exotic technologies.
It should be relatively easy to verify that injuries / unexplained deaths occurred to these specific people at the specific times of Gruschs testimony.
Same with proving aliens exist now. Just produce the materials or biologics. It’s kind of surprising that records or data from these if they exist hasnt accompanied the whistle blower testimony.
Same with proving aliens exist now. Just produce the materials or biologics. It’s kind of surprising that records or data from these if they exist hasnt accompanied the whistle blower testimony.
While I agree with you on this (just produce the evidence publicly), it's probably not as easy for these folks to just 'provide' said material. It likely isn't like renting a book from the library and walking out the door with it. I assume there's many layers of permissions from the Pentagon and other jurisdictions to bring forth this material publicly, at least right as it is now anyways. If the SCIF meetings go forth, they could be brought forward in those.
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That's in part why these hearings are happening - to move towards the goal of transparency so we can hopefully, eventually, see what material or evidence the country has in its possession (if any).
If it was easy to wheel a piece of space metal out of a secure facility on a dolly and haul it to congress it would have been done already.
That's in part why these hearings are happening - to move towards the goal of transparency so we can hopefully, eventually, see what material or evidence the country has in its possession (if any).
If it was easy to wheel a piece of space metal out of a secure facility on a dolly and haul it to congress it would have been done already.
Assuming it exists…..
These hearings are mostly a self indulgent mastabatory exercises by senators and house members for their own electoral purposes.
Though I was more referring back to the hypothetical discussion on what eveidence would be required for you to believe aliens exist. The bar is very clear now what is required. Peer review of materials and DNA.
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These hearings are mostly a self indulgent mastabatory exercises by senators and house members for their own electoral purposes.
Though I was more referring back to the hypothetical discussion on what eveidence would be required for you to believe aliens exist. The bar is very clear now what is required. Peer review of materials and DNA.
Are you saying the dude talking about his wife and daughter for 2 minutes weren't relevant to aliens?
These hearings are mostly a self indulgent mastabatory exercises by senators and house members for their own electoral purposes.
Though I was more referring back to the hypothetical discussion on what eveidence would be required for you to believe aliens exist. The bar is very clear now what is required. Peer review of materials and DNA.
He told me this, I saw that, this is turning into another religious belief, no proof, no real evidence, just a big steaming pile of
These hearings are mostly a self indulgent mastabatory exercises by senators and house members for their own electoral purposes.
Though I was more referring back to the hypothetical discussion on what eveidence would be required for you to believe aliens exist. The bar is very clear now what is required. Peer review of materials and DNA.
That may normally be so, but from what I've listened to I struggle to identify which part of the hearing is supposed to be serving that purpose.
So far it seems like a room full of people sponging up as much information they can on a scantly-explored subject of interest.
He told me this, I saw that, this is turning into another religious belief, no proof, no real evidence, just a big steaming pile of
Well thats some low level thinking.
This is the first EVER hearing in such a formal setting..
This thing is so fresh out of its packaging it hasn't had enough time to turn into anything yet. Maybe give it some time and the people involved a chance to actually probe for evidence.
Only ignoramuses would turn a blind eye and scoff before they've properly investigated what these high ranking officials claim does or doesn't exist.
Religion has thousands of years on UAPs and has nothing else to offer. It's long been fleshed out.
We've just nicked the surface of the iceberg on this subject, if that.
This is the first EVER hearing in such a formal setting..
This thing is so fresh out of its packaging it hasn't had enough time to turn into anything yet. Maybe give it some time and the people involved a chance to actually probe for evidence.
Only ignoramuses would turn a blind eye and scoff before they've properly investigated what these high ranking officials claim does or doesn't exist.
Religion has thousands of years on UAPs and has nothing else to offer. It's long been fleshed out.
We've just nicked the surface of the iceberg on this subject, if that.
That's only assuming there is any subject to discuss, which has far from been proven.
That's only assuming there is any subject to discuss, which has far from been proven.
You mean the idea that a single intelligent race exists in billions upon trillions of galaxies?
Or that some kind of presence has been here?
Seems like both are tied to one another, and the point of science is to exhaustively investigate and analyze in order to form some kind of theory on what is. Since we have data to explore in order to begin to answer either of those questions, that means there is a figurative iceberg before us.
And even if that information is unearthed and sifted through without evidence, then we still need to answer question of what the UAP phenomenon is and what pilots and credible sources are witnessing in the air, even if the answer stems into hallucinationatory territory. Whatever it is, it's being experienced en masse. So it's also not nothing.
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You mean the idea that a single intelligent race exists in billions upon trillions of galaxies?
Or that some kind of presence has been here?
Seems like both are tied to one another, and the point of science is to exhaustively investigate and analyze in order to form some kind of theory on what is. Since we have data to explore in order to begin to answer either of those questions, that means there is a figurative iceberg before us.
And even if that information is unearthed and sifted through without evidence, then we still need to answer question of what the UAP phenomenon is and what pilots and credible sources are witnessing in the air, even if the answer stems into hallucinationatory territory. Whatever it is, it's being experienced en masse. So it's also not nothing.
Well both, obviously. Science has proven neither.
Is there value in disproving every sighting of every unknown UAP? I'd argue no, becuase many are swamp gas or weather balloons. Would it be prudent for US defence to figure out what some of the more obvious phenomena are, in US airspace? Sure. Is congress and a public forum the place to do it? Probably not.
I am definitely not too old or cynical to find this hearing to be some of the most incredible news I’ve heard in my adult lifetime - and I haven't even digested it all yet.
Congress and the Pentagon seem to find this topic important and worthy of discussion, and the whistleblowers coming forward are doing so at no personal benefit to their own careers or personal life. Hell, NASA has (publicly) put together a task force to investigate this topic with a report due later this year. AARO is now an actual special operations program within the US government. I personally think it's a really interesting topic, and there's too much happening now to ignore. Just because 'aliens' haven't been trotted out infront of a podium doesn't mean this subject is made up or fake.
Not sure why it's fun for some to #### on this topic, there is literal videos of UFOs/UAPs released from the Department of Defense. Lots has happened, particularly since 2017. This subject just isn't swamp gas, little green men and 1995 Fox Sunday night specials anymore.
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It should be relatively easy to verify that injuries / unexplained deaths occurred to these specific people at the specific times of Gruschs testimony.
You would hope. But this is the government that has made people and backgrounds disappear. Verification of information is more difficult now than ever before because of how easy it is to eliminate digital records and how disinformation plays a huge roll in hiding those facts.
A real basic for instance, a middling but well-connected chief of police in my fair state rolled his car in a possible drunk driving incident. He not only managed to make the State Trooper report disappear but also the ambulance report and 16 minutes of dispatch tape mysteriously go blank. Making information go away is pretty easy especially when there is no one there to provide oversight and have the data backed up. And don't try and tell me about logging and paper trails. If they have the power to eliminate the record they have the power to delete all logs/paper trail.
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Same with proving aliens exist now. Just produce the materials or biologics. It’s kind of surprising that records or data from these if they exist hasnt accompanied the whistle blower testimony.
Because it's so easy to walk about of a facility with a crashed vehicle or a dead body. Do you know how long it took Snowden to hatch the plan to get the code out for the programs he dropped the dime on? And that was on a tiny microSD card that was easily concealable. Working in these TS-CI programs and locations means nothing in, nothing out. No cellphones. No small cameras. Nothing. You go through many levels of security prior to entry and they will find anything you try to bring in that could be used to disclose information.
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These hearings are mostly a self indulgent mastabatory exercises by senators and house members for their own electoral purposes.
Agreed. Nothing will come from this because of the way the industrial military complex works. Compartmentalization makes it impossible to make this evidence surface.
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Though I was more referring back to the hypothetical discussion on what eveidence would be required for you to believe aliens exist. The bar is very clear now what is required. Peer review of materials and DNA.
You and your peer review. News flash: Peer review is not the process you think it is. Peer review is rarely undertaken when it comes to government, military, or private programs. The information is tightly controlled and regulated meaning you require clearance to gain access. They just don't hand that out to anyone. It is why the same group of people are involved in many of these programs. They are cleared but still remain compartmentalized so they know just enough. If there is any review done to confirm beliefs or findings it will be done by another person who already has the clearance and access. The circle is kept tight so data doesn't leak.
This is why I doubt we'll ever see such evidence produced, unless something happens in a populated area where there are thousands of witnesses and they can save the vehicle or bodies before a recovery team has a chance to arrive and scoop things up. But then again, thousands of people witnessed and reported an aerial event across almost two states and that event was quickly swept under the rug. Never discount the power of the government, the mass media, and the stigma of being called a nutjob.
I think 2:06:24 - 2:11:01 is a good segment for the 'realists' to watch.
Listen and tell us again how there's nothing here to investigate.
It is the testimony of Mr. Ogles on the heels of that which you highlight that proves this is going nowhere. Mr. Ogles frames this as an existential threat to the security of the United States of America which then makes it the purview of the Department of Defense meaning they can then shut down all inquiry under the guise of national security. This is how the game is played as sad and pathetic it is.
You and your peer review. News flash: Peer review is not the process you think it is. Peer review is rarely undertaken when it comes to government, military, or private programs. The information is tightly controlled and regulated meaning you require clearance to gain access. They just don't hand that out to anyone. It is why the same group of people are involved in many of these programs. They are cleared but still remain compartmentalized so they know just enough. If there is any review done to confirm beliefs or findings it will be done by another person who already has the clearance and access. The circle is kept tight so data doesn't leak.
This is why I doubt we'll ever see such evidence produced, unless something happens in a populated area where there are thousands of witnesses and they can save the vehicle or bodies before a recovery team has a chance to arrive and scoop things up. But then again, thousands of people witnessed and reported an aerial event across almost two states and that event was quickly swept under the rug. Never discount the power of the government, the mass media, and the stigma of being called a nutjob.
My insistence that someone other than the government that has lied about ETs for 90 years be required to verify if ETs exists is somehow unreasonable? That’s the standard of evidence that is required.
It may never happen but to believe conclusively without it would be ridiculous. If you want to that is your choice but to chastise someone for wanting real evidence before believing extraordinary claims is absurd. It’s a very convenient position to be able to state evidence doesn’t exist because it would never be released therefore the absence of 3rd party reviewed evidence which is stated to exist is not an issue.
Grusch’s testimony was such garbage and feels like someone trying to avoid purjury. Essentially he says I have no first hand information on anything related to UAPs but he has talked to people about it.
Grusch has his list of names so if congress is actually interesting in digging they can
Grusch testified to misappropriation of funds which congress has the power to investigate.
Grusch testified he knows people who have information that people were killed but doesn’t quite say it but heavily implies it.
Burchett asks Grusch if he has heard of anyone being murdered. The answer was
“I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities.”
That is not an acceptable answer to the question. That’s not a yes or a no.
If you compare what he states under oath to what he was stating in the press he is far less detailed and less certain.
Anyway highly disappointing
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Grusch's "I'm not allowed to divulge in a public domain" response got old fast, I will say.
Interesting where the line between classified and not was.
He would give enough away to whet peoples appetites then shut it down.
Hope they investigate his "sources" asap so as to out him as full of #### or not sooner. If he is, he's wasting people's time which could be directed towards the UAPs rather than his alien murders and supposed "biologics".
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