You Know What Really Grinds My Gears....The Sequel!

[DuffMan]

We were both doing about 115, in a 100, at night.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I see traffic often traveling under the speed limit on Deerfoot. Why it is? I don't know. But when they're going 80-90kph, the left lane is fair game for those going the speed limit.

Yeah, I may have worded that improperly. Not so much in the sense a person driving the speed limit should not be in the left lane, but rather, based on the speed generally driven in the left lane, I would be surprised if over the course of 20 years of driving someone never once sped to pass someone.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Flacker

This right here is pretty damning evidence that you don't have any idea how the left lane works.

How does it work?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by strombad

As I said, family member who works in law enforcement. Would you like their name and number? Badge number? Shoe size? General demeanour?

Listen sweetie, I still love you, let's not fight. But your posts have been excessively troll-like towards me. Knock it off.

Just his badge number, then I can email him.


As for the rest:

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[Igster]

While I agree with everyone that driving in the right lane except to pass is the way to drive, it is frustrating when you are with someone who is doing about the same speed or just a little under/over you. You don't want to slow down to get behind them in the right, yet you don't want to speed up considerably to get past them and cut in front of them only to have them catch up to you again (it's happened numerous times while driving on the hi-way to me), so being in both lanes a little distance from each other with no one else around doesn't seem like that big of a deal and I would understand why the thought might be for the guy who is in the right lane who wants to turn left would simply just tuck themselves in behind the guy in the left lane, turn and then the guy who was just a bit ahead in the left lane, would then get into the right lane.

I really don't think this is a big deal. Again, drive in the right lane except to pass, but two cars going close to the same speed with no one else around? Really a big deal for them to be in both lanes? I don't think so. And not too much to ask for the guy who wants to turn and is not in the left lane to simply get behind the guy in the left lane just before the turn.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Igster

While I agree with everyone that driving in the right lane except to pass is the way to drive, it is frustrating when you are with someone who is doing about the same speed or just a little under/over you. You don't want to slow down to get behind them in the right, yet you don't want to speed up considerably to get past them and cut in front of them only to have them catch up to you again (it's happened numerous times while driving on the hi-way to me), so being in both lanes a little distance from each other with no one else around doesn't seem like that big of a deal and I would understand why the thought might be for the guy who is in the right lane who wants to turn left would simply just tuck themselves in behind the guy in the left lane, turn and then the guy who was just a bit ahead in the left lane, would then get into the right lane.

I really don't think this is a big deal. Again, drive in the right lane except to pass, but two cars going close to the same speed with no one else around? Really a big deal for them to be in both lanes? I don't think so. And not too much to ask for the guy who wants to turn and is not in the left lane to simply get behind the guy in the left lane just before the turn.

exactly.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

ha ha, OK Philippe Létourneau, I'll try to stop breaking laws and being and ######bag behind the wheel.

Oh and read one of my many posts regarding why I was in the left lane.

I did. Your reasons are wrong-headed and ridiculous.

See, it's not that people don't understand or don't read what you're saying. It's that what you're saying is wrong.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by jammies

I did. Your reasons are wrong-headed and ridiculous.

See, it's not that people don't understand or don't read what you're saying. It's that what you're saying is wrong.

then why don't you just say so instead of asking

Why were you in the left lane in the first place?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Shouldn't your print job just be at the top, unless you also waited an hour to decide to pick up your print job?

We print and shred documents at an alarming rate.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by jammies

I did. Your reasons are wrong-headed and ridiculous.



See, it's not that people don't understand or don't read what you're saying. It's that what you're saying is wrong.

I'd like to see some concrete evidence that this is true.

This is very likely just "one of those things"

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by troutman

We print and shred documents at an alarming rate.

support your lumber industry.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by troutman

We print and shred documents at an alarming rate.

Our bigger offices have put passwords on the printer. You send your printing to the printer but it doesn't print until you physically go to the printer, enter your password and hit print.
It avoids all the forgotten printing and prevents people reading things that they shouldn't.

In our office I just hit print and usually one of the admin staff will bring it to me when they pick up their printing.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

then why don't you just say so instead of asking

That's what is known as a rhetorical question, and it's one that you should be asking yourself. "Why am I in this left lane when I'm not passing anyone? Hmm, maybe I should get into the right lane and make a habit of always driving consistently and correctly."

That you don't understand why the guy behind you, in your example, shouldn't have to pass you on the right proves you are treating driving as some kind of mutually negotiable activity, involving other drivers, where the rules are fuzzy, mutable, and situational. They are not. Yes, it's arbitrary that you should always pass on the left, and stay on the right, but it's only arbitrary in the sense that there are alternative paths of consensus which are equally optimal, and not in the sense that there shouldn't be any consensus at all.

Lacking a loudspeaker on the top of your car, or vehement hand gestures, your only tools for indicating to other drivers as to your intentions are signal lights and visible behaviour. Driving in the left lane when you are not passing is a visible behaviour that indicates "I am either apathetic or incompetent, take your pick." Neither proclaims a good driver.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by jammies

That's what is known as a rhetorical question, and it's one that you should be asking yourself. "Why am I in this left lane when I'm not passing anyone? Hmm, maybe I should get into the right lane and make a habit of always driving consistently and correctly."

IS that rhetorical also, or do you want an answer?

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Still not understanding.

Before I made the decision to stay in the left lane, I thought to myself, if I were that guy, would I rather have me where I was, or 8 car lengths in front of me in the same lane. To me that's like standing beside someone at the urinals, when I don't have to.
Also, this is on a rural road, where wildlife like deer etc is a very real danger. I'd prefer to be in different lanes, if I was behind someone.

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Fawk, you guys, pay attention here. We were 2 cars travelling on a 2 lane divided rural hiway at night, in the dark. There were no other cars for kilometers, either ahead of us or behind us. We were doing the same speed. He was 5 car lengths behind me, in the other lane(I know I said 8 or 10, but now that I really think about it, it was 5 or less)

As a courtesy(in my mind) I did not want to be in front of him in the same lane when the other one was completely open. If it were me, I'd prefer if the other driver was not in front of me in the same lane. In this scenario, I didn't really care which lane was which, but he was in the right so I stayed in the left.

If anyone had caught up to us. I absolutely would've got into the right lane. Had he pulled into the left lane behind me I would've got into the right lane.

whatever, drive however you like and I'll keep driving how I like., and continue to speed, tailgate, and drive in the left lane when no one else is around, except for one other vehicle in the right lane.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Three words were capitalized for emphasis and the punctuation was perfect. Your capitalization of "Random" is a way worse affront to my sensibilities.

Also it wasn't a rant about wanting to 'teach' someone anything. I don't really care if they tailgate others, I just don't want to be tailgated myself.

But thanks for the supposed insult.

It wasn't meant as an insult. When I read your post my internal monologue went to springs1 voice. It was the use of the ellipsis and the capitalization of the last word in the sentence and the entire first word of the next sentance.

Also the tone of you being absolutely correct despite a majority of people disagreeing was very springing.

Again just an observation and not meant to be insulting. Sorry if it was misconstrued.

[return to the red]

Belly button lint. It makes me feel fat and provides ammo for my wife.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by strombad

if I'm rocking down Deerfoot at 110-115 in the left, or Stoney at 110-115, when the flow of traffic is around 100, then quite frankly I don't really care if someone wants to go 125 and pass me.

I pretty much disagree with this. I don't think 125 on the Deerfoot in the summer is necessarily excessive.

Originally Posted by strombad

10-15 percent is generally acceptable as far as road standards apply. You're extremely unlikely to get a ticket at 55 in a 50, or 110 on a 100.

I also disagree with this. Regardless of the speed limit, in ideal conditions I'm probably going 10kph over. So 60 in a 50, 80 in a 70. If it's the highway it may be more in the ~15 range. Generally I don't think the usual rule involves calculating a percentage of the limit. I think most people usually just tack on 10kph. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

Originally Posted by Wormius

It is purely anecdotal, but do you think the speed limits were set to accommodate 2014 sports cars or 1981 clunkers hauling a trailer behind them? It's for the lowest common denominator car / driver / weather conditions combination.

To some extent I agree with this; I mean, you can probably drive more safely in good conditions at a higher speed with a recently made performance car - i.e., I see nothing inherently unsafe about doing 130 on the TC to Banff in an A6, in light traffic. That said, I don't think it's geared towards lowest common denominator in terms of weather, at the very least. Plenty of weather conditions I see where it's not safe to do anywhere near the speed limit in many places.

Originally Posted by jammies

I did. Your reasons are wrong-headed and ridiculous. See, it's not that people don't understand or don't read what you're saying. It's that what you're saying is wrong.

This is itself ridiculous in that there is a reasonable amount of disagreement on the topic.

Originally Posted by jammies

That's what is known as a rhetorical question, and it's one that you should be asking yourself.

Wait... either it's rhetorical or it wants answering. Pick one. It can't really be both rhetorical, and something he should be asking himself.

That you don't understand why the guy behind you, in your example, shouldn't have to pass you on the right proves you are treating driving as some kind of mutually negotiable activity, involving other drivers, where the rules are fuzzy, mutable, and situational. They are not.

In your opinion. Again, I would refer you to my earlier post. You've stated a rationale for unbending rules unaffected by circumstance. However, this rests on the premise that adamantine adherence to a set of rules promotes the greatest overall safety. This is in inherently illogical, imo. There are going to be situations where non-adherence to a general set of rules is safer.

Look at it this way. Establish any set of rules for the road you like, hypothetically, as a more or less complete code - recognizing that it's, practically speaking, impossible to have a rule covering every conceivable situation (and probably not desirable either). Once someone comes up with one circumstance, no matter how unlikely, in which it is better to diverge from your code than to adhere to it, it becomes only a set of rules of general, rather than absolute, application, and at that point we're just arguing over when to obey the code and when not to.

Consequently, once you can say "it is a rule of the road not to speed - unless you have someone in your back seat bleeding to death", or "it is a rule of the road not to suddenly veer into the lane beside you without signaling - unless there is an unexpected large obstacle in your lane", the code is no longer absolute. Again, you could look at these as new rules in the code, and just expand it ad nauseum, but at some point that's no longer practical, and really just reduces to "obey the code, unless not obeying the code better promotes safety".

It's really the same problem that crops up when discussing a lot of general theories of morality, particularly those related to utilitarianism, as most of our laws are.

Incidentally, it RGMG that roughly 50% of the time, when I click "submit reply", this forum just takes me to a blank white page and refuses to post. When I hit "back", my post is gone. Thankfully I've adopted a policy of hitting ctrl-C prior to posting so I can just go back and do it again, but it's freaking annoying.

[calumniate]

In regards to duffman i think he should have moved to the right lane, but i know what he's saying in a way. Far too often i'll see a car pass a semi, only to move back into the right lane as soon as there are millimetres of space in front of said semi. Like it's so crucial to abide by this rule. I'm not a truck driver but i'm assuming this has to grind their gears? I generally wait a while longer with semis.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by return to the red

Belly button lint. It makes me feel fat and provides ammo for my wife.

Yeah belly socks are really bad for that

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Mr Yamoto to thank post in 3, 2, 1.....

You noticed that too? It is kinda creepy, but it happens in a variety of topics with him and Strom.