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Old 07-23-2024, 10:30 AM   #17161
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Watching the testimony of SS Director Cheatle is shocking to say the least. Whether she's refusing to cooperate, or being accused of Perjury, or just plain not knowing what she's talking about. Its stunning that she's refusing to resign.
And now she's resigning anyways after making a complete fool of herself.

But hey, literally nothing strange about what happened.

Best case scenario they chalk it all up to literal and complete stupidity.
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And now she's resigning anyways after making a complete fool of herself.

But hey, literally nothing strange about what happened.

Best case scenario they chalk it all up to literal and complete stupidity.
Are you suggesting the secret service conspired to have a presidential candidate assassinated?
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State specifically what you allege to be happening.
With what specifically?

The assassination attempt?

Likely reason is complete and utter stupidity by the people in charge on the ground, and then politics by the people above them to restrict protection details, etc, etc. And then an attempt at a coverup of it all. I posted a few days ago that I wouldn't be surprised if the roof wasn't covered because someone wanted to sit in the shade and eat their twinkies.

As for Biden, likely in worse shape than the media and the cover up gang wants to admit. The fact that he can't even hold a press conference to tell everyone he is not running is pretty ridiculous. The fact that most here think its no big deal is hilarious. I mean its only the most important position in the world.

I have realized that people don't actually care that the position is held by someone who actually has the capability of running it, and instead its like cheering for a hockey team. No matter what, your team is good and the other team (the oilers), suck, are terrible, no good, etc. Even if they make it to finals.
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Are you suggesting the secret service conspired to have a presidential candidate assassinated?
Where did I say that?

Oh right, I didn't.

Also, the secret service director resigned. I guess it was because she did such a stellar job, and nothing 'wrong' happened.
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Cheatle has resigned.
It's never good seeing someone lose their job, but Cheatle really needed to step down. She was caught lying after swearing to her testimony first saying that the slope of the roof was the issue, and then when it was brought up that the sniper crews were on higher slopes, she asked to retract her earlier statements on the roof. Incompetence is one thing but when someone dies because of it, I'm not sure what else should have happened here. It's too bad Rep. Sheila Jackson died less than a week after the attempt on Trump's life (she was battling pancreatic cancer from what I've read) as she would have had good testimony as well as she was part of the oversight of the Secret Service.
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This strategy is to pry away women votes. Who are the catty ones? Women. Who hates successful women more? Men or women? Women.

Who would care more of a women slept their way to the top? Men or women? Women. You guys wouldn't care.
I think you are 100% wrong on each and every argument you made there.
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Where did I say that?

Oh right, I didn't.

Also, the secret service director resigned. I guess it was because she did such a stellar job, and nothing 'wrong' happened.
Why is wrong in parentheses?

It infers that something other than errors occurred

It infers that the errors were intentional.
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Watching the testimony of SS Director Cheatle is shocking to say the least. Whether she's refusing to cooperate, or being accused of Perjury, or just plain not knowing what she's talking about. Its stunning that she's refusing to resign.
"Stunning"? You were stunned that she didn't resign the millisecond after the assassination attempt? Like, you stood there mouth agape, sink running, macaroni boiling over totally aghast that she didn't resign on a timeline to your liking?

You gotta learn to give things a second, man. Her resigning was - of course - the forgone conclusion to all of this, but you have to allow a few I's to be dotted and T's to be crossed first. You don't just start scampering around firing people and resigning before a semblance of the timeline and anatomy of the failings can be figured out. It'd also be really weak to resign before what happened could be worked out. That would be a weasel move.

Taking responsibility would be to stick around, contribute to establishing what went wrong, then resigning once it became apparent either you failed your duty or resigning would help the country as a whole regain faith in the organization you were to lead.

You have to let things play out a bit sometimes before looking for conspiracies and nefarious motives. Of course she was going to resign or get fired. It's obvious. Try to quit letting right-wing media work you up, guy. Can't be healthy.
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As for Biden, likely in worse shape than the media and the cover up gang wants to admit. The fact that he can't even hold a press conference to tell everyone he is not running is pretty ridiculous. The fact that most here think its no big deal is hilarious. I mean its only the most important position in the world.

I have realized that people don't actually care that the position is held by someone who actually has the capability of running it, and instead its like cheering for a hockey team. No matter what, your team is good and the other team (the oilers), suck, are terrible, no good, etc. Even if they make it to finals.
Essentially every important metric for the past 4 years has shown that he is not only capable of running the country - with the infrastructure he has around him, anyway - but far better at it than the vast majority of people who have held the job. What he's not capable of doing, apparently, is winning an election.

As for not holding a press conference, I would assume the reason is that an 81 year old with COVID does not make a good appearance and instead of talking about the things Democrats would like the news to talk about, him holding a press conference would result in them talking about how pale and sick he looks and replaying slow motion footage of him sniffling like they did with debate clips. Again, politics is what dictates these decisions in the run up to an election.

This should all be pretty obvious. I don't know who the "cover up gang" is but that earlier poster is right; you need to get a tighter grip on your horses.
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I think you are 100% wrong on each and every argument you made there.
Lobster in a pot vibes from them for sure lol
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Why is wrong in parentheses?

It infers that something other than errors occurred

It infers that the errors were intentional.
I am not suggesting that the secret service attempted to assassinate Trump. But I think its pretty clear that a lot of factors that lead to the attempt are simply not explained by 'oh whoops my mistake.'

Nevermind the lying afterwards with the 'sloped roof' stupidity.
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With what specifically?

The assassination attempt?

Likely reason is complete and utter stupidity by the people in charge on the ground, and then politics by the people above them to restrict protection details, etc, etc. And then an attempt at a coverup of it all. I posted a few days ago that I wouldn't be surprised if the roof wasn't covered because someone wanted to sit in the shade and eat their twinkies.

As for Biden, likely in worse shape than the media and the cover up gang wants to admit. The fact that he can't even hold a press conference to tell everyone he is not running is pretty ridiculous. The fact that most here think its no big deal is hilarious. I mean its only the most important position in the world.

I have realized that people don't actually care that the position is held by someone who actually has the capability of running it, and instead its like cheering for a hockey team. No matter what, your team is good and the other team (the oilers), suck, are terrible, no good, etc. Even if they make it to finals.
Biden could be in a coma and would still be better at running a country than Trump.
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I am not suggesting that the secret service attempted to assassinate Trump. But I think its pretty clear that a lot of factors that lead to the attempt are simply not explained by 'oh whoops my mistake.'

Nevermind the lying afterwards with the 'sloped roof' stupidity.
Interesting to see you so worked up about lies. You should meet my friend, Donald. You'd HATE him!
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"Stunning"? You were stunned that she didn't resign the millisecond after the assassination attempt? Like, you stood there mouth agape, sink running, macaroni boiling over totally aghast that she didn't resign on a timeline to your liking?

You gotta learn to give things a second, man. Her resigning was - of course - the forgone conclusion to all of this, but you have to allow a few I's to be dotted and T's to be crossed first. You don't just start scampering around firing people and resigning before a semblance of the timeline and anatomy of the failings can be figured out. It'd also be really weak to resign before what happened could be worked out. That would be a weasel move.

Taking responsibility would be to stick around, contribute to establishing what went wrong, then resigning once it became apparent either you failed your duty or resigning would help the country as a whole regain faith in the organization you were to lead.

You have to let things play out a bit sometimes before looking for conspiracies and nefarious motives. Of course she was going to resign or get fired. It's obvious. Try to quit letting right-wing media work you up, guy. Can't be healthy.
Yes, she resigned because she had to dot the Is and cross the Ts, and not because both Democrats and Republicans put her on the stand and made her answer questions, which she completely and miserably failed at.

Amazes me how 'not a big deal' people think this all is.
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4 months before the election and the Republicans already sound like sore losers - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-election-2024
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Interesting to see you so worked up about lies. You should meet my friend, Donald. You'd HATE him!
His lying is different though! lol
The AI overloads are really good at Trump. I could believe this came straight from his mouth.

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4 months before the election and the Republicans already sound like sore losers - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-election-2024
It is such a weird stance for them to take given the whole Jan 6th thing
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Yes, she resigned because she had to dot the Is and cross the Ts, and not because both Democrats and Republicans put her on the stand and made her answer questions, which she completely and miserably failed at.

Amazes me how 'not a big deal' people think this all is.
What Is and Ts is she crossing and dotting?
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What Is and Ts is she crossing and dotting?
Not sure, maybe should should ask Sliver.

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"Stunning"? You were stunned that she didn't resign the millisecond after the assassination attempt? Like, you stood there mouth agape, sink running, macaroni boiling over totally aghast that she didn't resign on a timeline to your liking?

You gotta learn to give things a second, man. Her resigning was - of course - the forgone conclusion to all of this, but you have to allow a few I's to be dotted and T's to be crossed first. You don't just start scampering around firing people and resigning before a semblance of the timeline and anatomy of the failings can be figured out. It'd also be really weak to resign before what happened could be worked out. That would be a weasel move.

Taking responsibility would be to stick around, contribute to establishing what went wrong, then resigning once it became apparent either you failed your duty or resigning would help the country as a whole regain faith in the organization you were to lead.

You have to let things play out a bit sometimes before looking for conspiracies and nefarious motives. Of course she was going to resign or get fired. It's obvious. Try to quit letting right-wing media work you up, guy. Can't be healthy.
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