Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[GGG]

What’s California’s policy.

Alberta isn’t changing anyone’s manufacturing plan but following California in emissions from vehicles and other sources make a lot of sense because they have one of the largest economies in the world.

Edit: California is 2035 so our policy is fairly rational.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

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Carbon tax is a monumental achievement and a huge piece of the puzzle, but it’s still not aggressive enough to bring about the change we need on its own (even before the Atlantic Canada nerf).

So either the price needs to be higher, or we need additional policies to work in tandem with it. Can’t imagine Danielle Smith would be happy about either so her criticisms are pretty disingenuous IMO. Just more red meat for the base.

If the carbon tax isn't high enough to make the required change then make it higher. Having the Feds picking and choosing who gets to make the emissions only makes things less efficient.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GGG

What’s California’s policy.

Alberta isn’t changing anyone’s manufacturing plan but following California in emissions from vehicles and other sources make a lot of sense because they have one of the largest economies in the world.

Edit: California is 2035 so our policy is fairly rational.

The idea that the Federal ZEV mandate is unprecedented (which I've now heard a few times) is silly. Here's the countries which have a 2035 or earlier ban on sales of new combustion vehicles:
-EU
-China
-Japan
-Singapore
-UK
-12 US states

And a bunch more

Canada is not early to the party here.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Torture

Lol. 9 cent tax hike is saving Alberta's $$$ at the pump!

https://twitter.com/andrew_leach/sta...aIWx09hmw&s=19

Wtf kind of twisting of words or outright lie is this??

Jesus effing Christ do they take us for fools?

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Jesus effing Christ do they take us for fools?

I mean, we keep proving the majority of us are.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Wtf kind of twisting of words or outright lie is this??

Jesus effing Christ do they take us for fools?

Of course they're taking us for fools.
Look at the number of people who voted in these clowns, so many Albertans are fools.

[Muta]

The UCP could basically do the above to their supporters, twenty-four hours a day, and they would still take it with glee (they're definitely doing it to the rest of us, but we see that). The province is full off uneducated, disinterested fools that refuse to dive deeper than 'blue good, orange bad, ooga booga'. Its generationally ingrained, too. Hopefully with new people moving to the province, they bring more centrist, educated and critically informed positions.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Muta

The UCP could basically do the above to their supporters, twenty-four hours a day, and they would still take it with glee (they're definitely doing it to the rest of us, but we see that). The province is full off uneducated, disinterested fools that refuse to dive deeper than 'blue good, orange bad, ooga booga'. Its generationally ingrained, too. Hopefully with new people moving to the province, they bring more centrist, educated and critically informed positions.

You're not being fair. There are also plenty of people who know exactly what the UCP is and what they're doing but don't give a crap as long as they get theirs. especially in oil and gas.

[Ozy_Flame]

Democracy is basically a non-violent form of mob rule. There's no qualifications except to be present for a vote.

A functioning democracy is a reflecting of its voting mob, and I use the term 'functioning' quite loosely.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

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Carbon tax is a monumental achievement and a huge piece of the puzzle, but it’s still not aggressive enough to bring about the change we need on its own (even before the Atlantic Canada nerf).

So either the price needs to be higher, or we need additional policies to work in tandem with it. Can’t imagine Danielle Smith would be happy about either so her criticisms are pretty disingenuous IMO. Just more red meat for the base.

That wasn't about the carbon tax though, it's the fuel tax coming back (which is probably a good thing), but they're spinning it as a tax cut "saving albertans money at the pumps" when it's actually...a tax increase that's going to cost Albertans more at the pumps.

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Of course they're taking us for fools.
Look at the number of people who voted in these clowns, so many Albertans are fools.

Everyone knows your opinion on Albertans and the UCP. Do you get tired of complaining about it? The name calling is getting old. You’re not the only one, but this topic of discussion seems to be the same people complaining. I just come to read mostly, so I’m not adding much. But I’ve noticed a trend sin this forum.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

Everyone knows your opinion on Albertans and the UCP. Do you get tired of complaining about it? The name calling is getting old. You’re not the only one, but this topic of discussion seems to be the same people complaining. I just come to read mostly, so I’m not adding much. But I’ve noticed a trend sin this forum.

Oh noes! He called the UCP clowns, and some Albertans fools!

Are you going to be ok? Apparently you self included yourself into one of those groups. Perhaps we need to send someone for a wellness check? They'll be there in a month.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

Everyone knows your opinion on Albertans and the UCP. Do you get tired of complaining about it? The name calling is getting old. You’re not the only one, but this topic of discussion seems to be the same people complaining. I just come to read mostly, so I’m not adding much. But I’ve noticed a trend sin this forum.

Are you happy with your vote?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

Everyone knows your opinion on Albertans and the UCP. Do you get tired of complaining about it? The name calling is getting old. You’re not the only one, but this topic of discussion seems to be the same people complaining. I just come to read mostly, so I’m not adding much. But I’ve noticed a trend sin this forum.

If you can find UCP supporters to come back into this thread and logically defend their choice to vote in / support this government, please do so. It seems many of the original UCP supporters that were active on this board since 2019 and were extremely loud voices for conservatism and the right, have conveniently disappeared.

It seems these days its easier to 'blame Trudeau' for everything instead of realizing the problems right in our own backyard first - and problems that should, really, matter more to the day-to-day happenings in the lives of Albertans.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Muta

If you can find UCP supporters to come back into this thread and logically defend their choice to vote in / support this government, please do so. It seems many of the original UCP supporters that were active on this board since 2019 and were extremely loud voices for conservatism and the right, have conveniently disappeared.

They haven't disappeared. They've sought refuge in the federal politics thread. Once PP and his merry band of bigoted sociopaths and ideologues get into power and royally #### the bed, they'll disappear from there, too.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by rubecube

They haven't disappeared. They've sought refuge in the federal politics thread. Once PP and his merry band of bigoted sociopaths and ideologues get into power and royally #### the bed, they'll disappear from there, too.

I meant they disappeared from this thread.

[Ozy_Flame]

No one should be surprised here. When Danielle and the Wildrose Party (because that's what this is, the Wildrose party) are constantly gaslighting the federal government and blaming everything on the federal Liberals, is it any wonder why their supporters continue to bleat the same message like trained parrots?

The UCP has designed their tenure in office to starve the municipalities of their resources and blame the feds for stealing theirs. They want operational control over every nook and cranny of governance of Albertans to keep people in line with their ideology (while telling you they're hands off with less red tape), and yet they'll cry foul on mental-gymnastics level jurisdictional overstep.

It's going to be funny when PP and his ragtag bunch of populists take control, and Dani won't have the Liberals to blame for everything that doesn't fit her narrative. But I guess we should expect that they'll continue to blame the "legacy of the Libs" the same way they continually pound the "the NDP ruined Alberta" drum even though they'll take credit for some of their initiatives.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10

Everyone knows your opinion on Albertans and the UCP. Do you get tired of complaining about it? The name calling is getting old. You’re not the only one, but this topic of discussion seems to be the same people complaining. I just come to read mostly, so I’m not adding much. But I’ve noticed a trend sin this forum.

If they stopped doing horrible crap, I'd stop complaining about them.

Can you give me even 3 things they've legit done to make the lives of the average Albertan better?

I'll can't even give them much credit for raising AISH payments starting this upcoming January.
why? because they screwed it up to begin with.

"Alberta NDP Leader Rachel Notley indexed AISH in January 2019 to line up with inflation. When the UCP was elected, it de-indexed AISH payments."

They're just again correcting one of their bonehead decisions.

[Izzle]

I guess, bye bye salt water cowboy. Surely he's not going to come in and defend any thing. So bring so mean to him guys. He's got feelings too.

[Red Slinger]

This seems like one of the few decent things they've done so far:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ents-1.7064117

The provincial government announced updates to the Gaming, Liquor and Cannabis Regulation on Monday, set to take effect at the end of January.

The changes will allow licensed cannabis retailers to set up temporary sales at adults-only events, like trade shows and festivals. They also ease some of the restrictions around how store owners can transfer product between different locations and lift the requirement to store product in a secure area off the shop floor while the store is closed.

Kinda odd seeing this from the political sphere that warned us about the dangers of reefer and that Trudeau's legalization policy would send Canada into chaos.