Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Ya but, where is the apology from the left for voting in Trudeau, huh???

The carbon taxes are singlehandedly responsible for inflation.

carbon tax is about a 0.3% inflationary pressure.
CPI is roughly 3%


how about explaining your assertion..
(i need a laugh)

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Ya but, where is the apology from the left for voting in Trudeau, huh???

The carbon taxes are singlehandedly responsible for inflation.

You're full of ****, to be honest. Prove that (the stats do not support this, btw).

[GGG]

I had assumed that was sarcasm…..

[btimbit]

Definitely sarcasm

[jayswin]

I hope so, haha. It's so hard to tell in this province now a days.

[Izzle]

I really didn't think green text was required. My bad.

The more salient point I was trying to make is that asking for apologies from one team or another is rather useless. The best one can do is convince one undecided over to your team and hope for the best.

[Slava]

Is Trudeau really a great example though? That government has not only done some boneheaded things, but there have been numerous ethics investigations and scandals through his term. I voted for the guy in 2015 and can’t say I’ve been pleased with how it’s gone.

[Fuzz]

So the feds announce new EV targets, and we get another long unhinged rant from some crazy talk show host.


Probably the only part you need to read...

The Government of Alberta will do everything within its legal jurisdiction to thwart implementation of these unconstitutional regulations in our province.

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...1417FBB157A235


Sounds like another get rich quick scheme for provincial law firms at our expense.

[Ozy_Flame]

Danielle Smith every time when things don't fit her narrative:

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So the feds announce new EV targets, and we get another long unhinged rant from some crazy talk show host.


Probably the only part you need to read...




https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...1417FBB157A235


Sounds like another get rich quick scheme for provincial law firms at our expense.

Was wondering how quick we'd see a temper tantrum about that from Alberta

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So the feds announce new EV targets, and we get another long unhinged rant from some crazy talk show host.


Probably the only part you need to read...




https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...1417FBB157A235


Sounds like another get rich quick scheme for provincial law firms at our expense.

Doug Schweitzer has a new law firm staffed with lawyers that have ties to former UCP initiatives (e.g. the anti-Alberta energy campaign).

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Was wondering how quick we'd see a temper tantrum about that from Alberta

If you subscribe to the news feed, it's almost instantaneous. It's uncanny. Almost like she had these opinions ready before even hearing the facts.

[stazzy33]

What is she on about? As far as I can tell the mandate states that only new vehicles have to be electric OR plug-in-hybrid by 2035. It's not like all the ICE vehicles will turn into pumpkins at the stroke of midnight January 1, 2035.

[Looch City]

Dey turking our trucks!!

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Dey turking our trucks!!

Back to the pile!

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So the feds announce new EV targets, and we get another long unhinged rant from some crazy talk show host.


Probably the only part you need to read...




https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...1417FBB157A235


Sounds like another get rich quick scheme for provincial law firms at our expense.

The depressing part is if she wasn't so unhinged she'd probably be right.

The Feds had a functioning, escalating carbon tax. That's the perfect policy to reduce emissions, because it allocates the emissions to the people most willing to pay for them, which will be the places where they are most costly to replace. Then they nerfed that in a panic about polls in Atlantic Canada, and so now we're getting random ad-hoc limits on gas power, oil and gas emissions, and mandates on EVs.

If you just let the carbon tax do its job this would all get sorted out. There probably are some rural people who drive around doing industrial things in the wilderness for whom EVs are a terrible idea. If they want to pay the carbon tax cost of that then great. If you make gasoline very expensive everyone else will switch. Same for O&G emissions and natural gas power plants. Where the emissions are very expensive to replace they can stay, and where they aren't the tax will cause emitters to stop.

I don't know. I feel like in the past there used to be adults making rational decisions involved in the process, and that seems to be lacking at every level now.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The depressing part is if she wasn't so unhinged she'd probably be right.

The Feds had a functioning, escalating carbon tax. That's the perfect policy to reduce emissions, because it allocates the emissions to the people most willing to pay for them, which will be the places where they are most costly to replace. Then they nerfed that in a panic about polls in Atlantic Canada, and so now we're getting random ad-hoc limits on gas power, oil and gas emissions, and mandates on EVs.

If you just let the carbon tax do its job this would all get sorted out. There probably are some rural people who drive around doing industrial things in the wilderness for whom EVs are a terrible idea. If they want to pay the carbon tax cost of that then great. If you make gasoline very expensive everyone else will switch. Same for O&G emissions and natural gas power plants. Where the emissions are very expensive to replace they can stay, and where they aren't the tax will cause emitters to stop.

I don't know. I feel like in the past there used to be adults making rational decisions involved in the process, and that seems to be lacking at every level now.

I mostly agree with you, but as for the ZEV mandate, it's not a demand policy. The intent is to signal to manufacturer's that they need to make a switch. It's actually good for the manufacturers (except Toyota because they're idiots) because it provides clarity and a level playing field.

As for rural people, a plug in hybrid truck will work fine, and this only applies to new vehicles. A brand new vehicle in 2035 will look much, much different than one today. Only 12 years ago the best effective vehicle (Nissan Leaf) had a 97km range and the battery cost the manufacturer about $30,000. Today the same size of car with a battery capable of a 500km range has a battery that costs about $8,000. I'm certain that in 12 years there'll be better options

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I mostly agree with you, but as for the ZEV mandate, it's not a demand policy. The intent is to signal to manufacturer's that they need to make a switch. It's actually good for the manufacturers (except Toyota because they're idiots) because it provides clarity and a level playing field.

As for rural people, a plug in hybrid truck will work fine, and this only applies to new vehicles. A brand new vehicle in 2035 will look much, much different than one today. Only 12 years ago the best effective vehicle (Nissan Leaf) had a 97km range and the battery cost the manufacturer about $30,000. Today the same size of car with a battery capable of a 500km range has a battery that costs about $8,000. I'm certain that in 12 years there'll be better options

And I mostly agree with you but this is a terribly handled policy that will be red meat fuel for the Ucp base and push those who are already sceptical of the transition further away.

It is mostly being missed that plug in hybrids count and that is an incredibly important point as the ice is going nowhere anytime soon in places like rural Alberta. I can see the ice becoming very rare in gta or greater Vancouver though but there were different ways to get there.

[Torture]

Lol. 9 cent tax hike is saving Alberta's $$$ at the pump!

https://twitter.com/andrew_leach/sta...aIWx09hmw&s=19

[Flames0910]

^

Carbon tax is a monumental achievement and a huge piece of the puzzle, but it’s still not aggressive enough to bring about the change we need on its own (even before the Atlantic Canada nerf).

So either the price needs to be higher, or we need additional policies to work in tandem with it. Can’t imagine Danielle Smith would be happy about either so her criticisms are pretty disingenuous IMO. Just more red meat for the base.