MTG was actually already named to the DOGE team with Musk and Vivek. She's going to join ad the sub committee chair.
I anxiously await the infighting to prove which one has more power. MTG screaming about everything, Musk with his strange alien-like transparent skin, and Vivek, who will say anything to gain favour.
Oh they'll make it through confirmation. Trump will make sure of that. Don't forget he was successful in defeating the bi-partisan border bill by bullying Congress. And he wasn't even an elected officials then. How the GOP gave into him was a sure sign they are all pansies. Astounding to me.
I said Gaetz wouldn't get confirmed from the start and some people said he would because "everyone falls in line with Trump", but obviously that did not happen here. Most of Trump's nominees will be fine, but he's nominated some rather horrific people who will go in with 47 votes against the start. Finding four people who think "RFK is a complete crank and I won't vote for him" isn't as impossible as you think since he's, you know, a complete crank.
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I said Gaetz wouldn't get confirmed from the start and some people said he would because "everyone falls in line with Trump", but obviously that did not happen here. Most of Trump's nominees will be fine, but he's nominated some rather horrific people who will go in with 47 votes against the start. Finding four people who think "RFK is a complete crank and I won't vote for him" isn't as impossible as you think since he's, you know, a complete crank.
It seems unlikely that anything RFK is promising would be attractive to GOP Senators at all. It seems pretty likely that Trump promised him a cabinet post for dropping out and endorsing him, and Trump will just be "well, I tried.." if he doesn't go through.
Withdrew his name because of the extensive evidence trail in paying for sex with a minor (multiple?).
This is why I don't get fussed about Trump doing what he does. He only selects the most inept people who are boot lickers. Sure, one or two of them might stick around and do some damage, but it won't be long term.
Two-thirds of those appointments will be replaced within 18 months. The threat from Trump’s administration isn’t malevolent masterminds carrying out an extremist agenda - it’s an endless succession of incompetent cronies leaving chaos and dysfunction in their wake.
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Two-thirds of those appointments will be replaced within 18 months. The threat from Trump’s administration isn’t malevolent masterminds carrying out an extremist agenda - it’s an endless succession of incompetent cronies leaving chaos and dysfunction in their wake.
I think it's a little of both.
But I do expect turnover and maybe more creation of new departments. Trump probably owes more favours to people than there are positions available.
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I think it's going to be some chaos for a bit until they coalesce around the Project 2025 strategy, and the really dangerous people start taking rolls. Ones who can get things done and know how to do it. Guys like Mitch McConnell didn't lose their roles despite their distaste for Trump, but they did get a lot done.
It's amazing that Trump did something most thought was impossible. He beat the duopoly. He's basically leading third party that won in a system that doesn't allow a third party so he had to hijack one of them. The Republicans and Democrats are basically two corporate parties. The Republicans were always corporate and the Democrats were labor but abandoned them and became a competing corporate party in the Clinton years.
Trump has decapitated the Republicans and had decimated the Democrats and created a populist movement that has even broader appeal in 2024. I'm not sure that's a bad thing if you can separate yourself from the person Trump. Does the US need some racial change? It might. In corporations, in taxes, in food etc....
IF Trump stays within the constitutional republic, there may be some good changes and then what do the Democrats do? If the Democrats yell that Trump is a threat to democracy and he simply walks away in 2028, then what do they say?
I can only assume that this is satire. You think that the man whose name is literally that of multiple corporations is not a corporate party. He literally defines corporate interests. He has surrounded himself with people who run corporations.
You are right that he manipulated a system in 2016 which had too many candidates in the early Republican nomination process and came into power that way. In the ensuing years he managed to bully and push his way into more power through intimidation tactics while somehow being propped up as a viable candidate despite being found guilty of many crimes and literally trying to subvert democracy once in the past. No one who works with him wants to continue to work with him, with the exception of absolute ghouls like Steven Miller (sorry ghouls). Everyone he surrounds himself with is either related to him or barely tolerates him in order to obtain some other goal.
Trump has literally said he wants to use the military to go after perceived political enemies. That is a threat to democracy.
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It's amazing that Trump did something most thought was impossible. He beat the duopoly. He's basically leading third party that won in a system that doesn't allow a third party so he had to hijack one of them.
No he didn't. He's just the logical progression of what the Republican party was already becoming.
Government by billionaires for billionaires is just a stronger version of Reaganism, of the sale of trickle-down economics to the masses. Trump's election stems from the elimination of the fairness doctrine in 1987, which allowed for the emergence of right-wing media bubbles. He follows in the path of Newt Gingrich, who made screwing the Dems a core Republican value. He operates in the post-fact world established by Bush, who sold the nation on a war to address Saddam's weapons of mass destruction that did not actually exist. The vein of anti-intellectualism he embodies flows from the Tea Party, who turned away from expertise and towards ignorant populism. He's an idiot in a position he's deeply unqualified for, and as such he's Sara Palin's spiritual successor.
He didn't usurp the Republican party. They we already rolling out the red carpet for him (or some other similar charlatan). He's the leopard eating the faces of the face-eating leopard party.
The only thing where Trump differs from stock and trade GOP policy is the tariffs. I've said this many times, but if Trump were Jeb in this last election running on the verbatim platform, minus the tariffs, all the Cheney's and Bush's who said they're voting for Harris would have fully backed Jeb. Acting like he's some maverick outsider is genuinely embarrassing.
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The runner up to Trump was Ted Cruz! Jeb didn't even make it to the convention.
Yes but I think it could have played out different without Trump.
1. Jeb Bush was the early favorite and Trump attacked him hard and pretty much knocked him out. Trump only went after Cruz after that. I'm not sure anyone could have knocked out Jeb like that.
He is an outsider, do you think any other Republican candidate would have said this? The Republicans weren't headed that way anyways. That's why there are never-trumpers upset about all this.
2. Without Trump, the Republicans could have coalesced around Jeb to knockout Cruz, sort of like how the Democrats all dropped out to back Biden over Bernie. They could do that to beat Cruz, but not to beat both Cruz and Trump.
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Just because Trump lines the pockets of his billionaire pals does not mean the Republicans are still the party of corporate America. The Mitt Romneys have been cowed or driven out of the party. Business leaders favour stability, predictability, and the rule of law, and Trump is an agent of chaos.
Institutional business voices like the Economist are unwaveringly anti-Trump, and I’d be willing to bet most of the executives who have subscriptions are too. The Democrats have been handily beating the Republicans in fundraising for a while now, and corporate support swinging away from the Republicans is a big part of that.
2. Without Trump, the Republicans could have coalesced around Jeb to knockout Cruz, sort of like how the Democrats all dropped out to back Biden over Bernie. They could do that to beat Cruz, but not to beat both Cruz and Trump.
That kind of my point. There was Trump and mini-Trumps. The party was saturated with them.
I do think Trump accelerated things a lot, but the party had already been rotting and was fated to continue to rot.
The GOP was already on the course towards Tea Party policies and Sarah Palinesque personalities well before Trump.
Maybe but not enough to make a dent. More noise than anything. Also Tea Party policies aren't that extreme, nothing like Trump rhetoric.
Michelle Bachmann, founder of the Tea Party, ran for president and dropped out after Iowa. Marco Rubio was a Tea Party poster boy and you see in that clip how he defended Dubya.
Trump flipped the tables on both parties.
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