2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Lol, has SovCit now come to Canada?

It's been here for at least a decade.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Lol, has SovCit now come to Canada?

People are overwhelmingly becoming easier to red pill. It's both amusing and concerning.

Concerned amusement.

I don’t think this is anything new. There have always been morons. They have better access to each other now, but there aren’t more of them.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Lol, has SovCit now come to Canada?

Not only has it been here for awhile, we're approaching the 10 year anniversary of this eviscerating ruling by a Calgary judge against the movement

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...nment-movement

[JohnnyB]

Have there been any good academic studies or are there any good books anyone would recommend reading to understand how people of varied walks of life end up believing in stuff like this?

To see people actually gathering around a police station and trying to enact a citizen's arrest of the police at the behest of a woman who claims to be queen while handing out vegetable platters and tins of sardines from an RV camper parked at the curb is, well, it requires some kind of explanation for everything that led up to it.

[Fuzz]

This is more on Qanon, but I think the themes are the same. Might be a good starting point.

“People of faith believe there is a divine plan — that there are forces of good and forces of evil at work in the world,” said Ed Stetzer, an evangelical pastor and executive director of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center. “QAnon is a train that runs on the tracks that religion has already put in place.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-evangelicals/

[CliffFletcher]

QAnon plugs into the same socket of the brain that religion plugs into. Remove QAnon and religion, and people will find something else that fits that socket. Cults, nationalism, political movements of every stripe.

When under stress, many people look for simple answers to complex problems. We embrace narratives with heroes and villains, and champion facts that support those narratives while ignoring or casting suspicion on facts that get in the way. We demonstrate loyalty to our allies in the in-group and shame and denounce the out-group.

We’ve proven we don’t need religion for any of that stuff.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

QAnon plugs into the same socket of the brain that religion plugs into. Remove QAnon and religion, and people will find something else that fits that socket. Cults, nationalism, political movements of every stripe.

When under stress, many people look for simple answers to complex problems. We embrace narratives with heroes and villains, and champion facts that support those narratives while ignoring or casting suspicion on facts that get in the way. We demonstrate loyalty to our allies in the in-group and shame and denounce the out-group.

We’ve proven we don’t need religion for any of that stuff.

Sure, but we also don't need to give them preferential treatment by way of a separate school system, tax breaks and an historically outsized influence on government policy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

QAnon plugs into the same socket of the brain that religion plugs into. Remove QAnon and religion, and people will find something else that fits that socket. Cults, nationalism, political movements of every stripe.

When under stress, many people look for simple answers to complex problems. We embrace narratives with heroes and villains, and champion facts that support those narratives while ignoring or casting suspicion on facts that get in the way. We demonstrate loyalty to our allies in the in-group and shame and denounce the out-group.

We’ve proven we don’t need religion for any of that stuff.

Your words completely overlook the bolded part of my quote.

But if you pretend religion doesn't exist, you are left with "would the religious who are susceptible to Qanaon that way becuase they were raised with religion(laying the tracks) or would they have been susceptible had religion not existed". Basically the nature vs nurture argument, but for conspiracies. I think that nurture has a lot to do with it. We know brains of children are extremely malleable, so if you hardware them to accept fantasy without interrogating it through logic, they will be more susceptible to any conspiracy theory.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Sure, but we also don't need to give them preferential treatment by way of a separate school system, tax breaks and an historically outsized influence on government policy.

We could try to become a more secular country like France. But it would involve all sorts of contentious battles and wrangling over the charter of rights and freedoms (as we’re seeing right now with Bill 21 in Quebec). Like it or not, religious freedom and tolerance are baked into Canada’s laws and institutions.

As for tax exemptions, they’re granted in almost every country in the West - even notably irreligious ones like Sweden, where only 35 per cent of people believe in God (compared to 55 per cent in Canada). So lots of countries where religious faith is weak seem to have concluded the exemptions have some broader social value.

As much as it gets people on forums like this riled up (which is a reflection of the narrow demographics of the users), there just isn’t broad political support for suppressing religion. Only 22 per cent of Canadians say the bad in religion outweighs the good.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8759564/c...y-perceptions/

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We could try to become a more secular country like France. But it would involve all sorts of contentious battles and wrangling over the charter of rights and freedoms (as we’re seeing right now with Bill 21 in Quebec). Like it or not, religious freedom and tolerance are baked into Canada’s laws and institutions.

Religious freedom and tolerance are not the same as preferential treatment.

As for tax exemptions, they’re granted in almost every country in the West - even notably irreligious ones like Sweden, where only 35 per cent of people believe in God (compared to 55 per cent in Canada). So lots of countries where religious faith is weak seem to have concluded the exemptions have some broader social value.

How much of those are based on a system put in place when the vast majority of people in Sweden (and Canada) were religious. Because it's the way it's always been is not a sufficient argument, on it's own, to keep things the way they are.

As much as it gets people on forums like this riled up (which is a reflection of the narrow demographics of the users), there just isn’t broad political support for suppressing religion. Only 22 per cent of Canadians say the bad in religion outweighs the good.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8759564/c...y-perceptions/

Again, suppressing religion is not the same as avoiding preferential treatment. Not sure why you're building this particular strawman.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We could try to become a more secular country like France. But it would involve all sorts of contentious battles and wrangling over the charter of rights and freedoms (as we’re seeing right now with Bill 21 in Quebec). Like it or not, religious freedom and tolerance are baked into Canada’s laws and institutions.

As for tax exemptions, they’re granted in almost every country in the West - even notably irreligious ones like Sweden, where only 35 per cent of people believe in God (compared to 55 per cent in Canada). So lots of countries where religious faith is weak seem to have concluded the exemptions have some broader social value.

As much as it gets people on forums like this riled up (which is a reflection of the narrow demographics of the users), there just isn’t broad political support for suppressing religion. Only 22 per cent of Canadians say the bad in religion outweighs the good.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8759564/c...y-perceptions/

But only 31% say the good outweighs the bad. Not really a ringing endorsement.

What is more interesting form the survey found here:
https://angusreid.org/canada-religio...ith-holy-week/

is this chart:

Spoiler!

It's a pretty amusing summary of who thinks who is worse. Pretty much everyone thinks Evangelical Christianity is damaging society, except themselves. Islam feels similar, yet even they can't muster 50% of themselves thinking they are a benefit to society. So why bother?

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Convoy = religion now?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1560122006275821569

Full eviction notice (picture in linked tweet thread)

https://twitter.com/user/status/1560347221694058496

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Again, suppressing religion is not the same as avoiding preferential treatment. Not sure why you're building this particular strawman.

You don’t think this sounds like a call to disallow (suppress) the religious tutelage of children?

Unpopular opinion time...when we allow religions to groom and brainwash children to beleive some pretty crazy ####, we shouldn't be all that surprised that they grow up to be adults that are susceptible to even more crazy ####.

The same poster also said:

Personally I'd love to see laws that protected children from being indoctrinated before they have critical thinking skills, but I know that wouldn't fly. No religious attendance until you are 18, then you can make up your own mind.

That’s pretty radical stuff, no?

Anyway, it’s pretty clear none if this stuff, including removing tax exemptions for churches, is going to happen anytime in the next few decades. I just think it’s worth taking a step back and recognizing that despite all the the thanks these sorts of remarks get on CP, they’re far outside the Canadian mainstream.

[Fuzz]

I guess it's just easier to pretend religions(some much more than others) don't contribute a vast amount of harm to society, since we've just always allowed it. Easier to let them keep doing it. Slavery used to be pretty popular, too. It took courageous people to stand up to it and say it is wrong.

"But they do good!" you protest. Yes, well, if someone rapes a child then helps granny to cross the street, we don't just let that person off.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You don’t think this sounds like a call to disallow (suppress) the religious tutelage of children?

The same poster also said:

That’s pretty radical stuff, no?

Anyway, it’s pretty clear none if this stuff, including removing tax exemptions for churches, is going to happen anytime in the next few decades. I just think it’s worth taking a step back and recognizing that despite all the the thanks these sorts of remarks get on CP, they’re far outside the Canadian mainstream.

Maybe it's out of the mainstream and maybe not.

One thing is for sure, though, anybody who believes in religious teachings has been indoctrinated into doing so. I don't believe their beliefs deserve any respect or accommodation. Let's do our best to cease letting the easily duped dictate public policy. I find it frustrating we don't defer to the areligious on more/all public issues.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

One thing is for sure, though, anybody who believes in religious teachings has been indoctrinated into doing so. .

Prov. 22:6

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You don’t think this sounds like a call to disallow (suppress) the religious tutelage of children?



The same poster also said:



That’s pretty radical stuff, no?

Anyway, it’s pretty clear none if this stuff, including removing tax exemptions for churches, is going to happen anytime in the next few decades. I just think it’s worth taking a step back and recognizing that despite all the the thanks these sorts of remarks get on CP, they’re far outside the Canadian mainstream.

You're conflating government sponsored indoctrinating of children with personal religious practice. I personally don't care what anyone believes as long as it doesn't harm others or society as a whole.

[speede5]

Man you guys are making some pretty harsh generalizations on churches. As someone who attends a great church regularly I just can't see how you can lump all religion together with such harsh condemnation.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by speede5

Man you guys are making some pretty harsh generalizations on churches. As someone who attends a great church regularly I just can't see how you can lump all religion together with such harsh condemnation.

It’s easy, and none of them have done near enough to avoid said condemnation.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by speede5

Man you guys are making some pretty harsh generalizations on churches. As someone who attends a great church regularly I just can't see how you can lump all religion together with such harsh condemnation.

It's been normalized for you through indoctrination, though. Imagine, if you can, living your life completely areligious. You've never been to church, never read the Bible, never worried about God's approval, never thought about sin, never believed anything other than that which is real. So then, say, at like 40 you wandered into a church and you started hearing about the holy trinity (that's bat####, btw), virgin births, and God's allowances for rapes (all good if you're invading another country and see a woman you like!), etc. You'd be aghast. You'd be indignant at the boldness of outright lies and the auducity of the authoritative claims.

Or maybe think if you walked into a place of worship in ancient Greece and started hearing about Zeus and Hermes or whatever. You'd think it was BS.

What about Islam or Hindu gods. You must think those guys have it all wrong lol.

I mean, it's rational for us to be annoyed that a chunk of Calgarians opt to go to church every Sunday and deliberately allow themselves to be fooled by that which is not true.