High-Profile Sexual Abuse Epidemic

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why are people in a rush to forgive Louis and see him get a second chance? Is it because he's funny?

Because people have different ideas of how serious his behaviour was. Like it or not, reactions to all sorts of sexual behaviour is subjective. About the only real distinction we have as a society is legal or illegal.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What he did was serious. He allegedly performed sexual acts in front of people and in some cases allegedly blocked them from leaving that situation.

As far as I understand it, in every case except one on the telephone he asked the people if it was okay first.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What specifically has he done in the less-than-year being out of the public eye to improve himself or reform? Anything?

As redslinger points out, what specific actions do you think he should take before his penance is complete? And how does society reach consensus over this? Some people think he did nothing wrong. Some will never forgive him. Most people are somewhere in between. Should we have a poll?

There will never be consensus on this. Not in a liberal society.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Frankly I'm perfectly fine if his career is ruined forever. I don't know why he should deserve anything more than that.

The people who want to see his career ruined forever don't have to go to his shows or watch his specials. People who think he did nothing wrong or have forgiven him can support him. Producers, platforms, and investors will assess the downside of being associated with him. What's the alternative?

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Serious is a word probably thrown around too leisurely. It's not like he's a menace to society or anything. Sure he has some weird fetish of masterbating in the presence of women but it's not like he's some sexual predator hiding in the shadows looking to rape women. He would even ask the women if he could masterbate in front of them. Not saying his behaviour was appropriate but hardly the stuff that should destroy someone's life and career over. People like this should get a 2nd chance.

I wouldn't get a second chance at a job anywhere in my line of work if I was masturbating in front of female coworkers without their consent. Why should Louie? It's still sexual assault. And it goes beyond the masturbation. He literally ruined careers and lives trying to keep this story buried. He doesn't deserve a second chance as far as I'm concerned.

[icecube]

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/...s-masturbation

We've heard from several sources that this shameless funnyman whips [his penis] out at the most inopportune moments, often at times when his female companions have expressed no interest in watching him go at it. A representative example: At the Aspen Comedy Festival a few years ago, he invited a female comedy duo back to his hotel room. The two ladies gladly joined him, and offered him some weed. He turned it down, but asked if it would be OK if he took his dick out.
Thinking he was joking (that's exactly the kind of thing this guy would say), the women gave a facetious thumbs up. He wasn't joking. When he actually started jerking off in front of them, the ladies decided that wasn't their bag and made for the exit. But the comedian stood in front of the door, blocking their way with his body, until he was done.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by icecube

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/...s-masturbation

He should have let them leave for sure but to me this is more just uncomfortable than traumatic.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He should have let them leave for sure but to me this is more just uncomfortable than traumatic.

Not to criticize your point of view, but clearly lots of people think it goes beyond the uncomfortable into traumatic. Just because other people don't necessarily share that view doesn't make it less traumatic for them.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ped

Not to criticize your point of view, but clearly lots of people think it goes beyond the uncomfortable into traumatic. Just because other people don't necessarily share that view doesn't make it less traumatic for them.

I'm pretty sure those two ladies are doing fine right now. Life isn't supposed to be easy. It's a long journey with ups and downs, good and bad. People make mistakes. I've made mistakes as I've been arrested in the past but was able to turn my life around but if I was subjected to the same public vitriol and never allowed to work again as some seem to think Luis should be subjected I would probably be living on the street. Louis CK hasn't been arrested for anything yet people want him punished severely by having his career and livelihood taken away. So many people want to bring out the pitchforks when someone has a problem rather than give them a chance to make better of themselves.

[icecube]

Have to point out once again that it wasn't just the fact that he whipped his dick out, it was also the fact that he used his power to threaten women's careers if they ever came out and talked about it. That makes him a disgusting person and a lot less worthy of quick forgiveness.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm pretty sure those two ladies are doing fine right now.

You don't get to decide that. You don't get to tell them it was just an uncomfortable incident and that life is full of good and bad. Honestly, you seem like a creep excusing his behaviour. These girls were forced by someone high up in their career to watch him masturbate despite trying to leave. You don't get to decide that they weren't traumatize when they had to decide on their career or letting this predator get away with it (and continue to do it to others).

He is a predator. He's using his power to prey on those women knowing they couldn't retaliate, I mean it doesn't get much clearer than that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You don't get to decide that. You don't get to tell them it was just an uncomfortable incident and that life is full of good and bad. Honestly, you seem like a creep excusing his behaviour. These girls were forced by someone high up in their career to watch him masturbate despite trying to leave. You don't get to decide that they weren't traumatize when they had to decide on their career or letting this predator get away with it (and continue to do it to others).

He is a predator. He's using his power to prey on those women knowing they couldn't retaliate, I mean it doesn't get much clearer than that.

Don't call me a creep.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm pretty sure those two ladies are doing fine right now. Life isn't supposed to be easy. It's a long journey with ups and downs, good and bad. People make mistakes. I've made mistakes as I've been arrested in the past but was able to turn my life around but if I was subjected to the same public vitriol and never allowed to work again as some seem to think Luis should be subjected I would probably be living on the street. Louis CK hasn't been arrested for anything yet people want him punished severely by having his career and livelihood taken away. So many people want to bring out the pitchforks when someone has a problem rather than give them a chance to make better of themselves.

He can work again. I just don’t think he should be welcome back so easily. He can go get a job bagging groceries which is likely the situation most of us would be in if we did what he did
The rest of the argument is weird. Life isn’t supposed to be easy but life isn’t supposed to include being subjected to things he did to people
In my view your are minimizing what he did which is sexual assault

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He can work again. I just don’t think he should be welcome back so easily. He can go get a job bagging groceries which is likely the situation most of us would be in if we did what he did
The rest of the argument is weird. Life isn’t supposed to be easy but life isn’t supposed to include being subjected to things he did to people
In my view your are minimizing what he did which is sexual assault

Why hasn't he been arrested then?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Why the need to defend a sexual predator? Why the need to downplay what these women went through?

The guy started preying on women in the 90s. There's been accusations told about him since the 2000s. He's admitted to doing it. He's admitted to using his power to prey on women knowing that they couldn't do anything about it for decades. His representatives have gone after anyone who would speak up. Female comedians have been told that there career would be over if they said what happened. It's disgusting inexcusable behaviour.

If this was a one-time thing, we could talk about giving him a second chance. But when he's been confronted numerous times and denied it numerous times, those are his "second-chances" the #MeToo movement just gave women a voice that would be heard and that's why he finally admitted to it.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why hasn't he been arrested then?

Here. You read it.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/201...nduct-louis-ck

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by icecube

I wouldn't get a second chance at a job anywhere in my line of work if I was masturbating in front of female coworkers without their consent. Why should Louie? It's still sexual assault. And it goes beyond the masturbation. He literally ruined careers and lives trying to keep this story buried. He doesn't deserve a second chance as far as I'm concerned.

It clearly looks as if he won’t get a second chance with you. He very likely won’t get a second chance with me either. I can’t get past what he did, and it will always cloud any future work he does in my opinion.

For a comedian, this is bad news. Often comedy is based upon social commentary and observation. To be successful at that and for me to enjoy it, the person delivering the material has to be credible in doing that.

Louis CK has lost that credibility and for me that significantly reduces the impact of whatever he can deliver in future.

I don’t think his career should be ruined forever, nor will I be critical of those who attend and enjoy any future shows he does.

But as a comedian I’d watch, in that respect, it’ll never happen again.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

It clearly looks as if he won’t get a second chance with you. He very likely won’t get a second chance with me either. I can’t get past what he did, and it will always cloud any future work he does in my opinion.

For a comedian, this is bad news. Often comedy is based upon social commentary and observation. To be successful at that and for me to enjoy it, the person delivering the material has to be credible in doing that.

Louis CK has lost that credibility and for me that significantly reduces the impact of whatever he can deliver in future.

I don’t think his career should be ruined forever, nor will I be critical of those who attend and enjoy any future shows he does.

But as a comedian I’d watch, in that respect, it’ll never happen again.

The most sensible post in this discussion. Well done. I can't get behind the mob mentality of social justice determining the fates of individuals but I can get behind those that choose to put their opinions into actions such as withdrawing support and moving on from the individual entirely.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by icecube

I wouldn't get a second chance at a job anywhere in my line of work if I was masturbating in front of female coworkers without their consent. Why should Louie? It's still sexual assault. And it goes beyond the masturbation. He literally ruined careers and lives trying to keep this story buried. He doesn't deserve a second chance as far as I'm concerned.

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[V]

I’m in the camp of ‘who cares’. Show business is littered with morally bankrupt narcissists. Let the monkeys dance, and if enough people watch to make them successful, whatever. If anyone actually cares about the moral integrity of stars Hollywood would be dead.

[Fuzz]

Agreed, except for Bill Murray. He's cool.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Agreed, except for Bill Murray. He's cool.

He is. Watch the Netflix special.

[Fuzz]

I just did.


Guy just loves to be human.