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Old 12-04-2016, 06:44 PM   #1681
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49ers obviously out tanking the Bears.

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Old 12-04-2016, 06:46 PM   #1682
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So Panthers back up qb gets last minute start for disciplinary reasons against Newton- he throws a pick on first throw and Newton is put in after all.
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Old 12-04-2016, 07:29 PM   #1683
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The longer this season goes it becomes apparent that teams like New England, Oakland, Kansas City, Dallas just don't beat themselves. Denver and Baltimore seem to be pretty good at this too. I see teams like Tennessee and Tampa starting to figure this out too. It seems simple, but its amazing how few teams show any consistency in doing this.
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Handful of great teams like it's always been. An 8-4 Giants team should scare every team in the NFC seeing they have won two Superbowls in the last decade with 9 and 10 win teams.
The Giants have to get there first. With Dallas, Detroit, Philly and Washington coming in they might be hard pressed to do better than 9-7, which might be good enough this year for a Wild Card. But what they did in the past doesn't mean much, they aren't the same fearsome pass rush they were then. That's why Kansas City and Denver have to be feared still because even with the unspectacular QB play the defense is terrific with the ability to rush the passer with just four guys. Giants don't have that right now. Most teams don't. If Kansas City or Denver had Derek Carr they'd be the strong favorites right now.

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So Panthers back up qb gets last minute start for disciplinary reasons against Newton- he throws a pick on first throw and Newton is put in after all.
College type discipline ploy backfires. I don't think Rivera is on the hot seat, but if he loses the locker room he might be.
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Old 12-04-2016, 08:10 PM   #1685
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Well Jeff Fisher got an extension proves your point.
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Old 12-04-2016, 08:41 PM   #1686
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So with the rash of early retirements recently, anyone willing to put a percentage on how serious Earl Thomas is about retiring after the broken bone?
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Old 12-04-2016, 10:38 PM   #1687
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not sure why he sends out that text. seems a little dramatic. cant see him shutting it down over that. a brutal concussion, sure but not this type of injury. time will tell i guess
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That's why Kansas City and Denver have to be feared still because even with the unspectacular QB play the defense is terrific with the ability to rush the passer with just four guys. Giants don't have that right now. Most teams don't. If Kansas City or Denver had Derek Carr they'd be the strong favorites right now.
I think Oakland gets enough pressure with Mack and Irvine. Add a Marcus Peters or Aqib Talib/Chris Harris to Oakland and they might be unstoppable.

Truthfully it's the Raiders O-line and Tandem of Cooper and Crabtree that really differs them from KC to me. Yes Carr is really good, but he's playing with superior machinery.

For Denver I think Simien would be fine with a better O line and running game.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:03 AM   #1689
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not sure why he sends out that text. seems a little dramatic. cant see him shutting it down over that. a brutal concussion, sure but not this type of injury. time will tell i guess
I agree, probably just reacting in the emotion of the moment. This deals a serious blow to Seattle's prospects for a long play off run. The silver lining is that it's a cracked bone and not a full break. Could have been worse if it were a mashed knee, something involving soft tissue. He should be fine for next year.
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I think Oakland gets enough pressure with Mack and Irvine. Add a Marcus Peters or Aqib Talib/Chris Harris to Oakland and they might be unstoppable.

Truthfully it's the Raiders O-line and Tandem of Cooper and Crabtree that really differs them from KC to me. Yes Carr is really good, but he's playing with superior machinery.

For Denver I think Simien would be fine with a better O line and running game.
Aldon Smith will help the pass rush. Goodell's really been dragging his feet on reinstating him though. Not exactly sure why it's taking this long as you either reinstate him or you don't but it's looking like he should be reinstated by next week which means he should have a few games to get in game shape for the playoffs. I will say that Raiders receivers are pretty terrible when it comes to drops. They had 5 drops yesterday and two were key 3rd down drops and one was an easy TD in the end zone that Crabs dropped. Raiders are 3rd in the league I believe in dropped passes and Carr's numbers would be considerably better is his receivers were more dependable.

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Aldon Smith will help the pass rush. Goodell's really been dragging his feet on reinstating him though. Not exactly sure why it's taking this long as you either reinstate him or you don't but it's looking like he should be reinstated by next week which means he should have a few games to get in game shape for the playoffs. I will say that Raiders receivers are pretty terrible when it comes to drops. They had 5 drops yesterday and two were key 3rd down drops and one was an easy TD in the end zone that Crabs dropped. Raiders are 3rd in the league I believe in dropped passes and Carr's numbers would be considerably better is his receivers were more dependable.
Raiders receivers might drop balls, but at least they can get open and the line provides protection for Carr to make good throws. Although...Alex Smith with time and open receivers still misses too many of these like Spencer Ware yesterday for a sure TD, or at least a 30 yard gain if it's underthrown.

In a way the Raiders are a bit like the Seahawks were with some young star players on cheaper draft contracts. It's allowed them to spend on their offensive line and other parts to give them better depth.

In a couple years this will turn and Mack, Cooper, Carr will be eating up a bigger piece of the cap. So really like the Seahawks, this year and next year probably are their chances to make hay and get to the Superbowl.

Thursday night should be a decent game. Chiefs are pretty old and beat up, but keep finding new tricks to come up with wins. We'll see if Andy Reid can find another trick to up his sleeve to tip the balance in a close game. Raiders right now are a much younger and superior team for sure. I wish they'd kept Hue Jackson.....

I imagine most Raider (and Bronco's) fans look at the Chiefs and wonder how that collection of garbage has more than 3 wins. It's the first time since the days of Schottenheimer in the early to mid 90's that the Chiefs have strung together 4 consecutive winning seasons. Andy Reid has certainly brought that Schottenheimer like stability to the Chiefs, and similar to the Marty ball teams, competitive teams, but teams that no one takes seriously as a contender if they're not a Chiefs fan.
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Old 12-05-2016, 01:02 PM   #1692
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In case anyone else wants to play around it's back.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

AFC
Oakland 13-3
New England 13-3
Pittsburgh 11-5
Indianapolis 8-8

KC 11-5
Denver 10-6

NFC
Dallas 14-2
Seattle 11-4-1
Tampa 10-6
Green Bay 10-6

Giants 10-6
Washington 9-6-1
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Old 12-05-2016, 01:18 PM   #1693
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I get:

1 NE 14-2
2 KC 13-3

3 PIT 10-6
4 IND 8-8
5 OAK 12-4
6 DEN 9-7

1 DAL 13-3
2 SEA 11-4-1

3 ATL 11-5
4 DET 10-6
5 TB 10-6
6 NYG 10-6
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Old 12-05-2016, 06:52 PM   #1694
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The Jets are defending like me
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:11 PM   #1695
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1 oak 14-2
2 ne 14-2

3 pit 11-5
4 hou 10-6
5 kc 12-4
6 bal 9-7

1 dal 15-1
2 sea 11-4-1

3 atl 11-5
4 det 11-5
5 nyg 10-6
6 was 9-6-1
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:56 PM   #1696
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Old 12-06-2016, 05:18 PM   #1697
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dont like the colts but to watch the continuing failures of the Jets is awesome. even after getting rid of buttfumble, they still find ways to lose big. Revis sure looks like he is going through the motions, pats dodged a bullet there
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I imagine most Raider (and Bronco's) fans look at the Chiefs and wonder how that collection of garbage has more than 3 wins. It's the first time since the days of Schottenheimer in the early to mid 90's that the Chiefs have strung together 4 consecutive winning seasons. Andy Reid has certainly brought that Schottenheimer like stability to the Chiefs, and similar to the Marty ball teams, competitive teams, but teams that no one takes seriously as a contender if they're not a Chiefs fan.
It's not that they are a collection of garbage though as they have some good players at key positions. It's just the run of good fortune in turnovers (something ridiculous like 49 for and 18 against) they are on going back to last year. It's unsustainable yet they are managing to sustain it which defies logic. Every game they get a key turnover they turn into points. The last time a team had a clean game against them the Bucs won but outside of that they are very opportunistic with interceptions and fumbles are bouncing to them. They have Carr's number so I expect the Chiefs to win Thursday winning based on you guessed it; key turnovers.
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Really sad news as former Bear and Raider as well as Heisman winner Rashaan Salaam is found dead at age 42.

Suicide is suspected.

http://www.espn.com/college-football...an-salaam-died
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If they had ruled that incomplete Reid would have challenged again and been out of challenges 3 minutes into the game.
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