Rob Ford Transgressions Thread

[Ducay]

While I for one, enjoyed the Sienfeld-esque banter between you two, I present another side.

While I agree with Nik, only water powered (normally gravity fed) turbine generators are hydroelectic power, the problem is that calling it "hydro" is a colloquialism, which can really take on any meaning society attaches to it, so Vulcan could have been right, except for the part he argued steam made it hydroelectric, thus invalidating my defense.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

This used to be one of my favorite threads, Rob Ford has turned into a real life Chris Farley movie and I eagerly awaited each new post with something new that he did. But now the dorks have ruined it, much like how they ruined the mega weather thread with endless winter tire talk

complaining about dorks ruining a thread on a message board...............

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Ducay

While I for one, enjoyed the Sienfeld-esque banter between you two, I present another side.

While I agree with Nik, only water powered (normally gravity fed) turbine generators are hydroelectic power, the problem is that calling it "hydro" is a colloquialism, which can really take on any meaning society attaches to it, so Vulcan could have been right, except for the part he argued steam made it hydroelectric, thus invalidating my defense.

I think this by MattyC explains my thoughts best.

Hydro could be the short hand for a lot of things. It's called a prefix.

While I agree it's confusing, it's a freaking word. You might as well argue that Homo means gay. That's it that's all. No other words stem from the prefix homo. __________________

What is now referred to as hydro could have a completely different meaning in years to come. Heck as shown in Ontario it no longer refers to what is called hydro-electric. I like to go back to find the original meaning of words and not just take the local general usage as the correct way.

[Codes]

Came to the Rob Ford Transgressions Thread for a debate on hydroelectric power. Left satisfied.

In all seriousness, saw Rob on the news discussing the ice storm. Almost seemed like a normal mayor.

[calumniate]

Rob Ford likes his hydro

[Senator Clay Davis]

Obviously awesome news, Rob has filed his papers for re-election, and will ensure for the first time ever a Canadian election campaign will get more attention than an American election (the 2014 midterms)

Mayor Rob Ford‏@TOMayorFord4h
Just filed my paperwork for the 2014 election. Vote on October 27th pic.twitter.com/Gxk9k7XLrE

[Daradon]

The nervous smile Doug was wearing standing beside his brother seemed to indicate he was telepathically willing Rob not to say anything stupid, heh.

[Peanut]

I bet he'll win. Aren't his approval ratings still inexplicably high?

[Daradon]

No, they've come down.

I doubt he wins, but I think it will be close.

A lot comes down to what he can accomplish in the next year. But he's off to a rough start with the way the ice storm was handled.

I think a lot of the scandal takes a back seat in the voting though, which isn't what I would have thought a few months ago. It'll still sway a few away from him though.

[Skootenbeeten]

I hope the guy wins, they all seem to hate him and he is no more corrupt than the rest of em. You go fat man.

[T@T]

Someone said there are an estimated 300,000 drug users in Toronto, not sure how many of them voted before but I suspect they'll show up in droves now.

I can see Ford winning this.

[OffsideSpecialist]

If Olivia Chow does run, it will be even more Latte Sippers vs. Yop Gobblers than the last election was.

[Daradon]

A little worried that if Chow does run, the center to left vote gets split and Ford wins.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Daradon

A little worried that if Chow does run, the center to left vote gets split and Ford wins.

A much bigger worry would be one of Chow or Ford winning.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by T@T

Someone said there are an estimated 300,000 drug users in Toronto, not sure how many of them voted before but I suspect they'll show up in droves now.

I can see Ford winning this.

That's kinda odd reasoning.

I don't disagree that Ford could win, which I admit has changed from my original opinion a few months ago, when I thought he might even be forced to resign. But I don't see him winning cause he gets votes from fellow drug users. I'm not even sure why that would enter into someones thought process.

Hey this guy smokes crack just like me! I love him!

One, if they are heavy drug users anyway, they probably won't vote. Two, marijuana users tend to vote liberal, as they are the ones with more lax drug policies. Three, to that very point Ford has a record that is hard on drug users, and drug treatment facilities, so not only isn't he a friend to them he's acting very hypocritically. Four, drug issues don't tend to be a huge factor in voting patterns.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Ark2

A much bigger worry would be one of Chow or Ford winning.

Not an NDP booster by any means, in fact the only major party I haven't voted for at one point (not counting BQ obviously), but I'd be willing to give her a chance at mayor. Mayor has less to do with party politics anyway, even though it does seem to be invading the fabric of the major centers a little nowadays.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Daradon

A lot comes down to what he can accomplish in the next year. But he's off to a rough start with the way the ice storm was handled.

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Was that really his issue? Wasn't that under the Province?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Daradon

A little worried that if Chow does run, the center to left vote gets split and Ford wins.

Isn't that pretty much what has happened in most Toronto civic elections since amalgamation?

(i.e. left splitting causes a minority right wing politician to win the whole thing)

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Was that really his issue? Wasn't that under the Province?

Province isn't looking good either, and yeah they have their share of the responsibility, but it doesn't look good for the city, especially when he wouldn't declare a state of emergency.

Even if it wasn't the city's fault at all, and I do believe they share some of the blame, it still looks bad and will no doubt be in the minds of some voters when they cast their ballots.

Call it the Nenshi effect. How much one can do, or is supposed to do in a crisis is debatable, I'll agree. But times of crisis and emergency are huge in the minds of voters. Look at Hurricane Katrina and Bush, and on the flip side, look at Superstorm Sandy and Obama and Christie, or the Calgary Floods and Nenshi. You can still come out of it looking better, or worse, and I think Ford took a bit of damage on that one. Not a ton, but a little.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Isn't that pretty much what has happened in most Toronto civic elections since amalgamation?

(i.e. left splitting causes a minority right wing politician to win the whole thing)

I can't say because this is the first time I've ever paid attention to a Toronto election, but it's definitely an educated guess. It makes sense.