Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

Justin only cares about Justin. He can stuff the rest of the rhetoric.

All politicians are self-serving

I don't really believe they care about anyone but themselves.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

This is also going to mark the point we see PP switch gears here. I expect he will now take a softer approach going forward. I enjoy watching political strategy as it unfolds.

Like when Harper started wearing a sweater vest

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by TKB

And she wouldn’t be wrong, this country is a complete mess and it’s going to take a long time to clean the stench of the liberals away.

So is Alberta

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by belsarius

John Turner and Kim Campbell were given the chance to win leadership elections before the general election.

At this point, without proroguing, then the Liberals could face a confidence vote which send them into a general election without an elected leader. So they would be asking Canadians to vote for them, and they'll figure out the PM at a later date. It would make the current uphill battle even worse, and not really be a benefit to voters.

Exactly this. From a democratic standpoint, we don't have a major political party going into a general election without a leader or even run the risk of that happening. I would much rather a leadership convention occurred in the summer when the approval ratings were showing what has come to pass. This is unfortunate, especially with turbulent times ahead but ultimately understandable

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by belsarius

John Turner and Kim Campbell were given the chance to win leadership elections before the general election.

At this point, without proroguing, then the Liberals could face a confidence vote which send them into a general election without an elected leader. So they would be asking Canadians to vote for them, and they'll figure out the PM at a later date. It would make the current uphill battle even worse, and not really be a benefit to voters.

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Exactly this. From a democratic standpoint, we don't have a major political party going into a general election without a leader or even run the risk of that happening. I would much rather a leadership convention occurred in the summer when the approval ratings were showing what has come to pass. This is unfortunate, especially with turbulent times ahead but ultimately understandable

Because those governments had majorities and could not fall?

But who's fault is that? You're (Trudeau and the GG) proroguing the government for your own party's benefit. Why would it be detrimental to voters, just because the Liberals aren't a viable option? Good, maybe the NDP and Greens can get more traction.

This is like giving a golfer relief because he's behind a tree and cannot hit the ball forward towards the green.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Looch City

That's too easy, her phrase just changes to:

"The fact is that 10 years of the Trudeau government got us into this"

She has used the NPD and their 4 years in power as a scapegoat for every problem so I don't see why reality and facts have to matter.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

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[StickMan]

Jan 6th should be a national holiday.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Because those governments had majorities and could not fall?

But who's fault is that? You're (Trudeau and the GG) proroguing the government for your own party's benefit. Why would it be detrimental to voters, just because the Liberals aren't a viable option? Good, maybe the NDP and Greens can get more traction.

This is like giving a golfer relief because he's behind a tree and cannot hit the ball forward towards the green.

As a voter, would you prefer more viable options or less?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Your perception on cognitive dissidence only looks outward never inward I guess.

Ok, so you have no rational explanation for your position. That's what I figured.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Jan 6th should be a national holiday.

why?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Because those governments had majorities and could not fall?

But who's fault is that? You're (Trudeau and the GG) proroguing the government for your own party's benefit. Why would it be detrimental to voters, just because the Liberals aren't a viable option? Good, maybe the NDP and Greens can get more traction.

This is like giving a golfer relief because he's behind a tree and cannot hit the ball forward towards the green.

You can't have an election when a political party doesn't have a leader. This is a threat to Canada's democratic principles and while I do think this should have happened earlier given the current climate this makes sense. I would have preferred it be for a shorter time period but I also don't know the practical considerations for having a leadership convention and how long it normally takes.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ok, so you have no rational explanation for your position. That's what I figured.

No. I did not say I want him to switch, I said it would be interesting to see if he does. How high is that horse?


I just reread my original comment. I meant to say "is this" and realized I wrote "this is" my mistake.

[Sylvanfan]

Both Campbell and Turner pretty much signed their own political death certificate when they won the Lesdership of their party. So that's why I'm interested to see who would want this and if the same thing were to happen here.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

What else could he do in this instance? For the proper functioning of our democracy, one of the largest parties requires a leader. I would rather it work out differently and that there be an election right away, but I don't see another practical way this could work.

The leadership issue is on the Liberal party, their leadership core and their constitution. Their failure to realize that the party leader has no support and not taking appropriate steps earlier to deal with it should not be a burden that the general population and voters should be saddled with. This is their own making and they shouldn't be able to stall the government of the country in order to get their ducks in a row prior to the next election.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It wouldn't be unusual for Trudeau to resign today and have a race, the winner becomes prime minster for a few months and then an election. Why does he have to prorogue government, to take the pressure off Singh?

In our lifetime, it happened when Pierre Trudeau resigned in 1984. John Turner won the leadership over Jean Chretien, was PM for 4 months then lost to Brian Mulroney. Mulroney resigned in 1993, Kim Campbell defeated Jean Charest and was PM for 5 months before losing to Chretien!

Trudeau Sr. and Mulroney had majority governments so could control when the election happens. That isn't the case now. There also is no political decorum that would allow a graceful transition of power.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The leadership issue is on the Liberal party, their leadership core and their constitution. Their failure to realize that the party leader has no support and not taking appropriate steps earlier to deal with it should not be a burden that the general population and voters should be saddled with. This is their own making and they shouldn't be able to stall the government of the country in order to get their ducks in a row prior to the next election.

They're happy to be able to !@#$ us over one final time.

This prorogue should be a death blow for the party for a good long while. It's absolutely ridiculous that they're willing to openly flaunt their own incompetence at our expense yet again.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I think people are over this angle and it's too much like JT.


Agree on these but they'll lose their remaining current supporters who will see racism and selling out to developers if those topics are even touched.

There's almost no path for them right now.
One path targets centralists but loses the remaining support they have on the left and the other keeps what they have but doesn't gain the middle.

There’s a lot of centrists like myself who have no space for an anti vax politician. The convoy supporters are a vocal fringe, the liberals will never win those votes.

I believe the votes to get the liberals to a minority opposition lie in the center. What does the average Canadian want? Similar services (slightly better) and an affordable cost of living. Let the middle left call you racist for reforming immigration, your job is to provide value to Canadians first and foremost. Let’s get back to that as our focus.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They're happy to be able to !@#$ us over one final time.

This prorogue should be a death blow for the party for a good long while. It's absolutely ridiculous that they're willing to openly flaunt their own incompetence at our expense yet again.

I’ll also ask you two (you and the person you’re responding to): as a voter, why wouldn’t you want more viable if not better options?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’ll also ask you two (you and the person you’re responding to): as a voter, why wouldn’t you want more viable if not better options?

That party is the problem, not just Justin. That party needs an enema - and this leadership race won't do that. That will take years of reflection and course correction for them to come back stronger.