2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

How do you know that is the right answer? How has the worked out for the Sabres? How many years have they missed the playoffs now?;

12 years, but I disagree here. If anything, this shows that a team should stay the course instead of attempting to hurry a rebuild.

• Buffalo started their rebuild in 2011-12.
• They got a bunch of picks for players in between 2011-2014:
  • Gustard(1st)
  • Sekera(2nd)
  • Pominville(1st + 2nd)
  • Regehr(2x2nds)
  • Leopold(2nd+ 5th)
  • Vanek(1st +2nd)
  • Miller(1st + 3rd)
  • ...
• They didn't draft in the top 5 in the first 2 years.
• They drafted: Grigorenko(12), Girgensons(14), Ristolainen(8), Zadorov(16)
• They also managed to get guys like JT Compher, L. Ullmark, C. Petersen, but whiffed on the majority of their later picks
• In 2014, 15 they bottomed out: They got S. Reinhart(2), and Eichel(2)! Those are 2 great adds.
• In 2015 they pivoted, Rebuild is over: They traded the equivalent of 4 x 1sts, and 3 x 2nds
  • They got McGinn + ROR for Grigorenko(1st 2013), Zadorov(1st 2013), Compher(2nd 2013), and a 2nd(2015)
  • They got Legwand + Lehner for a 1st(2015)
  • They got E. Kane + Z. Bogosian for a 1st(2015), Lemieux(2nd 2014), T. Myers, J. Armia(1st 2011), and D. Stafford.
• Unfortunately for them they still sucked despite those moves
• 2016-2017: they mostly made lateral trades in an attempt to change the mix
• They drafted A. Nylander(8), and Mittelstadt(8), IMO the Sabers mostly had terrible drafts in both 2016, and 2017.
• 2018 restarted rebuild by trading E.Kane and ROR.
• 2018 Bottomed out - drafted another stud in Dahlin(1)
• 2019-2020 picked Cozens(7), Quinn(8)
• 2021 New direction - traded both Eichel and Reinhart for good players/picks, but essentially ending their 1st rebuild in failure.

I think that if Buffalo had better drafting, and didn't hurry the rebuild in 2015, they would be in a much better spot. The Sabers hit home runs on all their top 5 picks IMO. It's the latter 1st and 2nd round picks that they whiffed on.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

12 years, but I disagree here. If anything, this shows that a team should stay the course instead of attempting to hurry a rebuild.

• Buffalo started their rebuild in 2011-12.
• They got a bunch of picks for players in between 2011-2014:
  • Gustard(1st)
  • Sekera(2nd)
  • Pominville(1st + 2nd)
  • Regehr(2x2nds)
  • Leopold(2nd+ 5th)
  • Vanek(1st +2nd)
  • Miller(1st + 3rd)
  • ...
• They didn't draft in the top 5 in the first 2 years.
• They drafted: Grigorenko(12), Girgensons(14), Ristolainen(8), Zadorov(16)
• They also managed to get guys like JT Compher, L. Ullmark, C. Petersen, but whiffed on the majority of their later picks
• In 2014, 15 they bottomed out: They got S. Reinhart(2), and Eichel(2)! Those are 2 great adds.
• In 2015 they pivoted, Rebuild is over: They traded the equivalent of 4 x 1sts, and 3 x 2nds
  • They got McGinn + ROR for Grigorenko(1st 2013), Zadorov(1st 2013), Compher(2nd 2013), and a 2nd(2015)
  • They got Legwand + Lehner for a 1st(2015)
  • They got E. Kane + Z. Bogosian for a 1st(2015), Lemieux(2nd 2014), T. Myers, J. Armia(1st 2011), and D. Stafford.
• Unfortunately for them they still sucked despite those moves
• 2016-2017: they mostly made lateral trades in an attempt to change the mix
• They drafted A. Nylander(8), and Mittelstadt(8), IMO the Sabers mostly had terrible drafts in both 2016, and 2017.
• 2018 restarted rebuild by trading E.Kane and ROR.
• 2018 Bottomed out - drafted another stud in Dahlin(1)
• 2019-2020 picked Cozens(7), Quinn(8)
• 2021 New direction - traded both Eichel and Reinhart for good players/picks, but essentially ending their 1st rebuild in failure.

I think that if Buffalo had better drafting, and didn't hurry the rebuild in 2015, they would be in a much better spot. The Sabers hit home runs on all their top 5 picks IMO. It's the latter 1st and 2nd round picks that they whiffed on.

Nice job on the research. The Leafs largely f'd up too when Burke came in to expedite the original rebuild. It's funny when the business guys come in thinking they're smarter than the average person and speak to the owners in the language they like - pushing results. It's all BS and you have to give it time and have to have the right core, and supporting cast.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Just looking at the free agent crop for this coming Summer and it's hard for me to look at Chandler Stephenson and not think that he'll be the Flames top target.

Lindholm likely traded, and Stephenson will be looking for a contract somewhere around what Kadri got which he likely won't get in Vegas. He's won a Stanley Cup, has back to back 60+ point seasons coming into this one...

Not saying it's something I'd outright want, but with how the Flames aren't going to just lay down and rebuild...it makes a good deal of sense.

The Flames are almost certainly going to be big players in the UFA market this summer. If they move all the pending guys they’ll have around $16 mil to fill three big holes.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames are almost certainly going to be big players in the UFA market this summer. If they move all the pending guys they’ll have around $16 mil to fill three big holes.

It seems a bit silly to be big players in UFA this summer when the best players available are the guys we are actively trying to trade.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by CFO

Tanev for 2 picks.

Hanafin extended.

Vladar traded. Markstrom traded in future years unless someone overlays.

Lindholm for a 1st, prospect and quality young player on the breakout bubble where a playoff team needs results now.

I have the same feeling. Probably what I would do if I were Conroy.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Just looking at the free agent crop for this coming Summer and it's hard for me to look at Chandler Stephenson and not think that he'll be the Flames top target.

Lindholm likely traded, and Stephenson will be looking for a contract somewhere around what Kadri got which he likely won't get in Vegas. He's won a Stanley Cup, has back to back 60+ point seasons coming into this one...

Not saying it's something I'd outright want, but with how the Flames aren't going to just lay down and rebuild...it makes a good deal of sense.

No thanks if it's $7m for Stephenson, at best he's a softer Kadri but reality says he's a 40 point player plus he's older than Lindholm. Again, this team needs high end skill not free agents to play on the 2nd-3rd line. would rather target Reinhart.

Stephenson will probably sign where golf is a thing all year anyway, the guy flat out could be a pro, he shoots in the 60's with little playing time.

[genetic_phreek]

There's been talk about the Jets being interested in Lindholm as well and I was wondering what a trade with them would look like.

If Horvat is the template then maybe:

To CGY
2024 1st (WPG)
Morgan Barron
Rasmus Kupari

To WPG
Elias Lindholm

Doesn't seem like a sexy trade by any means but I think the main thing is the 1st from Winnipeg and Kupari.

I do think Kupari is a player that can turn into similar type like Sharangovich. He's big, great skater, great shot, and can play the PK as well. He is still young and has been relegated to 4th line duty similar to how Sharangovich was in Jersey.

[dammage79]

I like a bunch of stuff from WPG and I'd prefer a downgraded pick in return for Brad Lambert.

2nd and Lambert for Lindholm yes please.

If Chevy is gonna be spend happy (which he will be, gotta capitalize on this good season), I hope they go after Heinola too.

Said it before in this thread but Lindholm for a couple of RFAs/prospects is a good thing. It equates to the Hamilton trade.

I like a package of Heinola and Lambert for Lindy.

To a lesser extent, Chaz Lucious, Salomonsson are players to look at as well.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

There's been talk about the Jets being interested in Lindholm as well and I was wondering what a trade with them would look like.

If Horvat is the template then maybe:

To CGY
2024 1st (WPG)
Morgan Barron
Rasmus Kupari

To WPG
Elias Lindholm

Doesn't seem like a sexy trade by any means but I think the main thing is the 1st from Winnipeg and Kupari.

I do think Kupari is a player that can turn into similar type like Sharangovich. He's big, great skater, great shot, and can play the PK as well. He is still young and has been relegated to 4th line duty similar to how Sharangovich was in Jersey.

No thanks to Kupari. That's a substantially worse package then the horvat one imo.

Would Kupari even break into our top 10 prospect rankings? I don't think he does for the Jets.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Just looking at the free agent crop for this coming Summer and it's hard for me to look at Chandler Stephenson and not think that he'll be the Flames top target.

Lindholm likely traded, and Stephenson will be looking for a contract somewhere around what Kadri got which he likely won't get in Vegas. He's won a Stanley Cup, has back to back 60+ point seasons coming into this one...

Not saying it's something I'd outright want, but with how the Flames aren't going to just lay down and rebuild...it makes a good deal of sense.

I get a similar feeling about Duchene. I don't want it to be the move, but I can see him as a stopgap in CGY.

That said, I hope the Flames give Zary an opportunity at center.

I could also see the Flames attempt to use the picks they get from Lindholm and target a younger center like J. Norris, that's having a down year, and a large price-tag. I don't think he fully recovered from being out for almost a year, so I expect a bounce back.

Another option is Frost, he has been a healthy scratch a couple of times already, mostly some tough love from Torts. At the same time he has been posting great analytics, and he is primed for a breakout.

[Snuffleupagus]

2nd(Mtl's) and Chaz Lucious would do it for me, If he can stay healthy I think Lucious has the highest upside.

[Sandman]

The Jets have a great scouting staff- always seem to be well stocked with youngsters on the team and throughout the organization. I would love to get C/LW Rutger McGroarty, or LW Colby Barlow. I did a bit of a write-up a few weeks ago on McGroarty, and why I think he would be a good aquisition, but both guys will one day be fine top-6 power forwards.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Sandman

The Jets have a great scouting staff- always seem to be well stocked with youngsters on the team and throughout the organization. I would love to get C/LW Rutger McGroarty, or LW Colby Barlow. I did a bit of a write-up a few weeks ago on McGroarty, and why I think he would be a good aquisition, but both guys will one day be fine top-6 power forwards.

Agreed.

But Baron and Kupari would be the ideal "youngsters" the flames should avoid.
Either of the 2 above and or Lambert would be the only starting point for me.

[Sylvanfan]

Getting Chevaldaeov to part with any of his prospects will be next to impossible I think. In a league full of GM's who over value the players they drafted, he's as high on the list as any of them.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Getting Chevaldaeov to part with any of his prospects will be next to impossible I think. In a league full of GM's who over value the players they drafted, he's as high on the list as any of them.

You have to think the pressure will be intense on Chevy though. GM in a city that has had limited historical success except for one run to the western conference finals. An arena that almost never sells out despite being one of the smaller barns in the league. And a team that looks like it has the pieces to compete this year.

Given their current window I think you could get a monster package from them for Lindholm and Tanev if you took Schmidt back in the trade. That frees up a time of space for them to sign Perfetti long term in the summer and allows them to try to resign two of Dillon, Demelo and Tanev (if he was traded there). That is a receipt for them to have a multiple year window.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames are almost certainly going to be big players in the UFA market this summer. If they move all the pending guys they’ll have around $16 mil to fill three big holes.

This is where I wonder if they won’t be prioritizing adding picks and that type of asset so they can be in a spot to pull of a Hamilton type acquisition where they can trade for a young core piece on a cap strapped team?

Having cap space and draft capital to move certainly are the best chips to take to the draft.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Given their current window I think you could get a monster package from them for Lindholm and Tanev if you took Schmidt back in the trade. That frees up a time of space for them to sign Perfetti long term in the summer and allows them to try to resign two of Dillon, Demelo and Tanev (if he was traded there). That is a receipt for them to have a multiple year window.

When they had the second best record in the NHL two years ago he traded some picks to get Paul Statsny plus a prospect who never sniffed the NHL. I'd think similar thing here, he'll offer his first and a conditional 4th, and maybe a Brendan Lemieux equal if he gets something else.

He values his young players and I think he probably feels secure with the team having a good season. Dubois is making him look pretty savvy.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames are almost certainly going to be big players in the UFA market this summer. If they move all the pending guys they’ll have around $16 mil to fill three big holes.

Man I hope not, we will certainly need D and the UFA crop this summer is brutal for defence.
Bunch of old guys to pay a premium for, no thanks.

[Tkachukwagon]

RE: Jets, maybe they should be going for it this year

https://twitter.com/user/status/1746925080582471973

[Heavy Jack]

When’s the last time a team in the bottom 10 of both special teams was so dominant? If they can improve on those aspects in the 2nd half they’ll be a force.