2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

All teams have to make cap space for one reason or another. And not every team is going with ELC/minimum salary backups.

As for the teams - I think the Wild will cut Fleury loose and go with Gustaffson and a backup. NYR will have to make space and they need a solid backup, not an experiment, at this stage in their supposed window. TB - cap issues seem to be their specialty. And they need a backup.

If the Wild cut loose Fleury, would that not make Fleury available for cheap? As a back up, he's a better option than Vladar for a year.

Hart might be available, makes more than Vladar but not by a lot.

How many AHL goalies like Wolf will graduate to the NHL? Schmid looks like another one and looks to be a lock with Vanecek in NJ. Blackwood could be had after a buy out for cheaper than Vladar

Adin Hill deserves a spot next year for Vegas. So what happens to Loagan Thompson and Brossoit. I expect Brossoit to be available for cheaper than Vladar.

Quick, Varlamov, Talbot, Jones, Halak are all floating around out there and likely can be signed for less than Vladar makes.

We will not get a 2nd for Vladar. I'd be shocked we get a 3rd for him. 4th is best case scenario, but I really think we will simply have to waive him to move him to another team or assign him to the AHL.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

DeSmith only has a year left at 1.8m

Oops my mistake, saw 3.6 that must have been his contract over two years. My apologies.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

They’re an interesting option. Weak at LD. In win now mode.

Maybe something around Luostarinen.

Another guy who seems like a late bloomer and oozes potential. And center is a position of strength for them so a position where they could move a player.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If the Wild cut loose Fleury, would that not make Fleury available for cheap? As a back up, he's a better option than Vladar for a year.

Hart might be available, makes more than Vladar but not by a lot.

How many AHL goalies like Wolf will graduate to the NHL? Schmid looks like another one and looks to be a lock with Vanecek in NJ. Blackwood could be had after a buy out for cheaper than Vladar

Adin Hill deserves a spot next year for Vegas. So what happens to Loagan Thompson and Brossoit. I expect Brossoit to be available for cheaper than Vladar.

Quick, Varlamov, Talbot, Jones, Halak are all floating around out there and likely can be signed for less than Vladar makes.

We will not get a 2nd for Vladar. I'd be shocked we get a 3rd for him. 4th is best case scenario, but I really think we will simply have to waive him to move him to another team or assign him to the AHL.

The Wild would cut loose Fleury if they think he's faded. His last two regular season games, when they were fighting to avoid the Avs, were terrible and his one start in the POs was worse. But moreover, he's more expensive for one year, and then what? Then they have to find someone else. And Vladar is not expensive compared to a bunch of similar backups.

Quick is 37 and worse than Vladar. .876 on a great team. And he will expect a bigger salary than Vladar based on his name.

Varlamov is 35. And he's going to want $4M. Talbot - also 35, his numbers took a nosedive and were no better than Vladar's. Think he wants only $2.2 or less? See also Jones (33 and .887 on a good Seattle team). Halak is 38 years old. He might sign somewhere but you can't count on enough starts with a guy that old.

Talbot is 25 and people are writing him off as a backup?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Wild would cut loose Fleury if they think he's faded. His last two regular season games, when they were fighting to avoid the Avs, were terrible and his one start in the POs was worse. But moreover, he's more expensive for one year, and then what? Then they have to find someone else. And Vladar is not expensive compared to a bunch of similar backups.

Quick is 37 and worse than Vladar. .876 on a great team. And he will expect a bigger salary than Vladar based on his name.

Varlamov is 35. And he's going to want $4M. Talbot - also 35, his numbers took a nosedive and were no better than Vladar's. Think he wants only $2.2 or less? See also Jones (33 and .887 on a good Seattle team). Halak is 38 years old. He might sign somewhere but you can't count on enough starts with a guy that old.

Talbot is 25 and people are writing him off as a backup?

Talbot, Quick, Halak, Fleury (if bought out) will all sign for less than $2.2 mil on 1 year deals. And you can get them and keep your 2nd rounder. Teams that have a star starting goalie will go with this option at least to start the season and can always look for other options if they don't play well mid way through the season or at the deadline.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Talbot, Quick, Halak, Fleury (if bought out) will all sign for less than $2.2 mil on 1 year deals. And you can get them and keep your 2nd rounder. Teams that have a star starting goalie will go with this option at least to start the season and can always look for other options if they don't play well mid way through the season or at the deadline.

Absolutely. A team will have to see Vladar as a one day starting goalie to invest into. But to get a second or even a third it would have to take a bidding war.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Wild would cut loose Fleury if they think he's faded.

How does one cut loose a useless player guaranteed to make $3.5M next season?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Talbot, Quick, Halak, Fleury (if bought out) will all sign for less than $2.2 mil on 1 year deals. And you can get them and keep your 2nd rounder. Teams that have a star starting goalie will go with this option at least to start the season and can always look for other options if they don't play well mid way through the season or at the deadline.

I seriously doubt any one of those guys, except Halak, takes less than $2.2. Many veterans have a price point where they get a salary commensurate with their experience and the physical toll, or they quit. See Kipper, for example. Only 4-5 active goalies over 30 signed for less since 2019. Only one is better than Vladar, and he signed after getting a ring with the team, and for multiple years. Only one signed a one year deal for less. But we'll see. I think there will be more interest than people expect. Vladar is just not overpaid at his age, experience and even for his stats.

Plus, you can move Vladar in a package with your tradeable guys for a package return.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

How does one cut loose a useless player guaranteed to make $3.5M next season?

Buyout. Or LTIRetirement.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Buyout. Or LTIRetirement.

The buyouts Minnesota has on the books, they will not be buying out Fleury now. That's another $1.1 mil of wasted cap space.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

The buyouts Minnesota has on the books, they will not be buying out Fleury now. That's another $1.1 mil of wasted cap space.

Fine, forget Minnie. Plenty of other teams will need a backup and I think most GMs will think Vladar has more to offer than either 35+ year old vets or untried rookies. 2.2 for two years give some comfort of cost certainty in the backup position.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Absolutely. A team will have to see Vladar as a one day starting goalie to invest into. But to get a second or even a third it would have to take a bidding war.

I think best case scenaro maybe 3 or 4 teams take a chance on Vladar. But there are other options so I just don't see a bidding war on Vladar. I think he gets waived unless we trade Markstrom.

Wolf must make the team in October.

[CliffFletcher]

A half dozen Vladars are available cheap every off-season. Doubt anyone gives up any substantial assets for him.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Fine, forget Minnie. Plenty of other teams will need a backup and I think most GMs will think Vladar has more to offer than either 35+ year old vets or untried rookies. 2.2 for two years give some comfort of cost certainty in the backup position.

I'm sure lots would but if I have a guy like Shesterkin or Vaz in net, I don't care about potential. I want a solid back up for cheap. Not sepnding a 2nd to get a guy that might be good and gets 15 games a year to prove it

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I'm sure lots would but if I have a guy like Shesterkin or Vaz in net, I don't care about potential. I want a solid back up for cheap. Not sepnding a 2nd to get a guy that might be good and gets 15 games a year to prove it

That's part of the point. I don't see much more solid at the price of Vladar. Most who are cheaper are kids who are not much better than prospects.

And I think TB would want to send players, not prospects. They aren't the ideal partner because of their nuge cap problem. Rangers though - Shesterkin proved to be human this year and you need someone more than a cheap kid in net if they think to be challenging this year. That said, Halak is one guy who I could see coming back cheap. He's old but he doesn't seem to age much. Maybe because he's a small goalie and doesn't get the same joint issues.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I think best case scenaro maybe 3 or 4 teams take a chance on Vladar. But there are other options so I just don't see a bidding war on Vladar. I think he gets waived unless we trade Markstrom.

Wolf must make the team in October.

They won't waive Vladar, If anything the nights they are going to start Wolf, they will carry 3 goaltenders. Wolf doesn't need to clear waivers, so they can send him down, let him play in the A until they need/want him to start.

In this scenario they would still need to get Vladar some starts as well.

[FlamesAddiction]

There is at least one working GM on another team that has faith in Vladar to be worth his contract. Francis was suggesting that Treliving sees Vladar as a potential starting goalie one day. I could also see some rebuilding teams willing to take a chance on him with the idea that he still has room to grow.

I can't help but wonder how many people having faith in a 33 year old Markstrom bounce back because "goalies are voodoo", are the some of the same people that think 25 year old Vladar is trash that nobody wants, despite them both being pretty much on par with each other last season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

There is at least one working GM on another team that has faith in Vladar to be worth his contract. Francis was suggesting that Treliving sees Vladar as a potential starting goalie one day. I could also see some rebuilding teams willing to take a chance on him with the idea that he still has room to grow.

I can't help but wonder how many people having faith in a 33 year old Markstrom bounce back because "goalies are voodoo", are the some of the same people that think 25 year old Vladar is trash that nobody wants, despite them both being pretty much on par with each other last season.

I could see teams wanting either one frankly, despite the comments here. Markstrom's contract is a barrier, and his NMC might be an even bigger one considering it was a huge factor in him leaving Vancouver. But I bet if the Flames ate a couple million, he'd go pretty quickly.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

There is at least one working GM on another team that has faith in Vladar to be worth his contract. Francis was suggesting that Treliving sees Vladar as a potential starting goalie one day. I could also see some rebuilding teams willing to take a chance on him with the idea that he still has room to grow.

I can't help but wonder how many people having faith in a 33 year old Markstrom bounce back because "goalies are voodoo", are the some of the same people that think 25 year old Vladar is trash that nobody wants, despite them both being pretty much on par with each other last season.

There is a difference between thinking Vladar is trash and looking at what is available and what teams already have and thinking he will not fetch a 2nd and quite possibly ends up on waivers and clears.

He could still turn it around and have a good career, he's young. But there is so many goalies available and most teams probably favour their prospects/AHL goalies over other teams' prospects. There are only a few teams that have holes on the NHL team and little coming up through the farm.

Treliving might like Vladar but Joe Woll makes $766k and his numbers are similar. I can't imagine he will go with Woll and Vladar and just let Samsonov walk.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Buyout. Or LTIRetirement.

If they buyout Fleury, the cost of him and Vladar is about equal to Fleury’s current cap hit.

Can’t see it happening.