[Trade] Elias Lindholm to VAN for Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond 2024 4th

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I think we have a lot of good penalty killers

Backlund
Texas Tiger
Sharangovich

I probably agree on the defensive part. We’ll see how it goes. You can’t have everything I guess.

Our Achilles is lack of scoring and a horrible powerplay. We traded something we had in surplus to help in those areas.

Three good forward penalty killers aren't going to cut it. Especially, when one of them is the one in the box. Mangiapane is decent and could possibly be considered good and I'm sure he'll be called on more than he has been. I believe he (and Dube) were looked upon more as the third forward pairing. I wouldn't be surprised to see Pospisil get a look due to his speed and aggressive play but does he have the defensive IQ required?

[Burn13]

Tkachuk was done after the Muzzin puck flip. It set it all in motion. Following year goes 1st line scores a ton of points and dictated where he wanted to go.

[gvitaly]

Filatov had some thoughts about Kuzmenko. It mostly echos what we've discussed here.

Here's my translation:

Originally Posted by Filatov

You don't just score 39 goals in this league. Clearly, last season Kuzmenko had more trust from the coaching staff, and better partners. That said, you can't ignore the fact that Kuzmenko had a bad first half of the season. He did get to play in the top 9 all season, and got to play with a guy like Pettersson. Despite that, he only had 21 points in 43GP. The biggest questions surrounding Kuzmenko are: would he be able to get his confidence back? and how well do the Flames coaches understand his strengths. Obviously, they should also be aware of his weaknesses, which were highlighted by the first half of the season. It would all depend on how long of a leash he gets from the coaching staff. A skilled winger that's not defensively sound is nothing new. It remains to be seen how the Flames coach will integrate him into his system.

I hope that Calgary did their research, and would try to do everything to help Andrei play to his strengths. I don't have any doubt that Kuzmenko is a very talented winger, so I'll be keeping my eye on him.

Russian Source

Another article mentioned that Kuzmenko had difficulty adapting from an east-west style of play to a more north-south style of play demanded by Tocchet. That resulted in a lot of frustration from Tocchet, multiple benching and even a healthy scratch. I knew Kuzmenko was in the dog house, but I didn't realize he was healthy scratched under Tocchet.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Filatov had some thoughts about Kuzmenko. It mostly echos what we've discussed here.

Here's my translation:



Russian Source

Another article mentioned that Kuzmenko had difficulty adapting from an east-west style of play to a more north-south style of play demanded by Tocchet. That resulted in a lot of frustration from Tocchet, multiple benching and even a healthy scratch. I knew Kuzmenko was in the dog house, but I didn't realize he was healthy scratched under Tocchet.

God help him if he relies on the Flames coaches to get skilled players going

[devo22]

man, Nikita Filatov ... what a blast from the past. Filly don't do rebounds ...

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

God help him if he relies on the Flames coaches to get skilled players going

I wish the Flames could hire coach Q as an advisor, since he doesn't have a green light to get a coaching job in the NHL. He sure got a ton out of Huberdaeu.

[Paulie Walnuts]

From the Conroy interview it does sound like they understand that we need scoring and to build a skilled team.

I’m just not sure Huska is the guy that can get the team to play a fast skilled brand of hockey. It does sound like Huska is here for the long term.

Maybe he adjusts and changes the style as we incorporate more skilled players. You play to your teams strengths.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

From the Conroy interview it does sound like they understand that we need scoring and to build a skilled team.

I’m just not sure Huska is the guy that can get the team to play a fast skilled brand of hockey. It does sound like Huska is here for the long term.

Maybe he adjusts and changes the style as we incorporate more skilled players. You play to your teams strengths.

And that's alright for now. This team is in transition and the best thing you can do is to offer stability over that period.

I also don't see him as "the guy" who takes this team to another level, but Calgary is far off from that right now. Grow the team and develop the younger guys. Check back in 2-4 years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Mattman

And that's alright for now. This team is in transition and the best thing you can do is to offer stability over that period.

I also don't see him as "the guy" who takes this team to another level, but Calgary is far off from that right now. Grow the team and develop the younger guys. Check back in 2-4 years.

Yeah he’s fine for now.

I’m not sure if he is or isn’t the guy until he has the pieces. Kind of like AV in Vancouver. He was known as a defensive coach but as they added more skilled pieces they changed how they played. Outside of the sickening amount of diving and PP they did play an offensive brand of hockey.

[FireGilbert]

Me, seeing the team I've cheered for since right before the Gilmour trade, that then went on to get poor returns for the stars in the 90s, gave away Savard for nothing, messed up the Phaneuf, Jokinen, Regehr, Iginla, and Bouwmeester trades, traded for Camallerri twice and lost him for nothing twice, lost Gaudreau for nothing, and gave up a first to get rid of Monahan, plus all the other draft picks pissed away for false hope over the years, actually make 3 great asset management trades in a row:

[Johnny Makarov]

Say what you will about Brad, Feaster was a wayyyyy worse GM.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Say what you will about Brad, Feaster was a wayyyyy worse GM.

Feaster's scraps made the 2nd round.

Treliving accomplished nothing other than handcuffing this team for the better part of a decade.

So...disagree.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Feaster's scraps made the 2nd round.

Treliving accomplished nothing other than handcuffing this team for the better part of a decade.

So...disagree.

Treliving made the second round twice. Not that it matters.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

Feaster's scraps made the 2nd round.

Treliving accomplished nothing other than handcuffing this team for the better part of a decade.

So...disagree.

This is like ranking your vacations, based only on the weather

[dustygoon]

What’s the scoop on Jurmo? Had nice point totals in draft year. Then nothing to brag about. That’s all I got.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

What’s the scoop on Jurmo? Had nice point totals in draft year. Then nothing to brag about. That’s all I got.

Solovyov is probably a good comparable - Jurmo is similar size, good skater, mostly defensive defenseman. Jurmo is younger, and probably has a higher ceiling. Similar, but better prospect than Solovyov.

[GioforPM]

Treliving's errors always seemed to me to have a rational basis. Need a big body scorer to complement Gaudreau and Monahan? Hey, James Neal always scored 20 goals or more. Need a RHS steady Dman to go with Hamilton, Brodie and Gio? Hamonic wants to come west and is pretty cheap.

It always seemed like Feaster made just off the wall moves because he thought he was smarter than everyone else, but he wasn't. Trading down in the draft and bypassing blue chip prospects to take a guy most scouts ranked in the 40s because you figured you'd look brilliant and he'd be the best player in the draft.

EDIT: Hamonic not Hanifin.

[Jiri Hrdina]

We don’t think Hanifin was an error though do we?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

We don’t think Hanifin was an error though do we?

Sorry - Hamonic. Will change it.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

I do think extending Hanifin long term would be an error but I don't think acquiring him in the first place was a mistake.