[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[butterfly]

I finally watched the press conference. Bean is not a person I'd like to work for.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

As with most topics, there are a myriad of opinions regarding Treleving as a GM. And people take time to outline their thoughts in a great deal of detail on both sides.
Pretending that what you wrote above is the prevailing opinion and minimizing the arguments down to "he shields himself from all the blame and shifts it to everyone else" is pretty lame.

I don't know what site you are ready, but it ain't Calgarypuck.

Also when FlamesFan05 starts thanking your posts, it's time to re-evaluate what you are posting.

Thanks buddy, you are the greatest. Anything from the Flames organization is good. Any other opinion is lame. I would to thank all your future post in advance

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Thanks buddy, you are the greatest. Anything from the Flames organization is good. Any other opinion is lame. I would to thank all your future post in advance

Jiri had a post earlier that had a lot of thanks talking about his concerns about the state of the franchise. That doesn’t seem like he thinks everything from the Flames org is good

[1qqaaz]

It would be nice if the decisionmakers had a natural aptitude for pro scouting, amateur scouting, and talent evaluation.

In combination with stats and metrics of course. I think these should form the basis.

I remember Brian Burke saying that he was always amazed by Dale Tallon's ability to evaluate talent.
Since the Flames have a general shortage of, and problem with, pro scouting, it would be nice if this was a strength of the General Manager.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It would be nice if the decisionmakers had a natural aptitude for pro scouting, amateur scouting, and talent evaluation.

Dontcha know? Murray Edwards is the smartest man in the room and can do it all.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Last time Sutter was here and torpedoed the organization, they brought in Feaster to blow it up, then Burke to restore credibility (which included promptly turfing Feaster)

Maybe they should just go ahead and bring Burke back

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I finally watched the press conference. Bean is not a person I'd like to work for.

Let I know people who have reported to him and they have said quite the opposite.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Dontcha know? Murray Edwards is the smartest man in the room and can do it all.

Well, he certainly cannot do it all, but he is generally the smartest man in the room.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Well, he certainly cannot do it all, but he is generally the smartest man in the room.

Just not in the room that matters to Flames fans.

[taxbuster]

Being rich doesn't mean you're smart.
Being smart doesn't make you rich.
Being smart generally makes you humble.
Only very rarely are rich people humble.

Just because he made a whack of dough doesn't mean he knows anything about hockey. Just money. If he knew anything about hockey, his team wouldn't be a fekking mess.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Well, he certainly cannot do it all, but he is generally the smartest man in the room.

Whenever I read this type of stuff, I always ask smartest man in the room for what? This type of thinking is always so weird to me. Should we also let him make decisions on how to build airplanes? Should he be making the medical decisions at the local hospital?

And if the whispers are true and he’s meddling consistently, then the state of the franchise is a testament to what happens when you leave the smartest man in the room in charge.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I was at Minute Maid park on opening weekend, and the word "Dynasty" was spoken over the PA multiple times.

Their slogan (plastered everywhere in the stadium) is "Ready 2 Reign"

I'm not saying it hasn't been a great run, I'd be thrilled if the Flames had half as much success. But imo without at least 3 championships you can't call it a dynasty, especially given how far apart the 2 championships were.

And even more importantly that blatantly cheating led to a lot of their success. That nullifies their accomplishments entirely and many obviously agree. The Astros are an illegitimate success.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Being rich doesn't mean you're smart.
Being smart doesn't make you rich.
Being smart generally makes you humble.
Only very rarely are rich people humble.

Just because he made a whack of dough doesn't mean he knows anything about hockey. Just money. If he knew anything about hockey, his team wouldn't be a fekking mess.

I played golf once a week with a guy who's net worth was about $400 million at the time, extremely humble guy who refused to hang out with rich people because he thought they were mostly pompous #######s and no fun to be around, I still keep in touch from time to time and he's as happy as ever even though he's lost some of his fortune, very smart, humble guy with a great family.

[DeluxeMoustache]

If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I played golf once a week with a guy who's net worth was about $400 million at the time, extremely humble guy who refused to hang out with rich people because he thought they were mostly pompous #######s and no fun to be around, I still keep in touch from time to time and he's as happy as ever even though he's lost some of his fortune, very smart, humble guy with a great family.

I’ll second that

The ones I know are generally smart, grateful, and careful

[bizaro86]

Murray Edwards is probably a very smart dude. I haven't met him, but CNRL is objectively a huge success and he's clearly the architect of that.

But (as is often the case) that domain excellence hasn't translated to other fields. His mining and aerospace firms have been somewhere between muddling along to failures, and the Flames haven't exactly been a roaring success since he took over.

You can be extremely smart without being the best in the world at everything. In fact, I think the singular focus it takes to be the very best at one thing makes it quite a bit less likely to be well rounded and good at everything. High capacity people are more likely to succeed than us normies, but realistically nobody can be the best at everything.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

But (as is often the case) that domain excellence hasn't translated to other fields.

I disagree. He has put out a mediocre product for decades now but still has die hard fans who won’t just support giving the team their own money but their neighbours money when they are in favour of a new arena while he pretends to fly off to England so he won’t even have to pay his taxes. He’s clearly doing something majorly right taking advantage of us rubes.

He’s taken the McDonald’s method. Subpar product but it’s there and available so people will keep coming back. He has no incentive to sell quality steaks when people keep coming back for the day old hamburgers.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

I disagree. He has put out a mediocre product for decades now but still has die hard fans who won’t just support giving the team their own money but their neighbours money when they are in favour of a new arena while he pretends to fly off to England so he won’t even have to pay his taxes. He’s clearly doing something majorly right taking advantage of us rubes.

He’s taken the McDonald’s method. Subpar product but it’s there and available so people will keep coming back. He has no incentive to sell quality steaks when people keep coming back for the day old hamburgers.

That has nothing to do with Murray's "excellence". The tire-fire 3 hrs north or Cleveland Browns show that there is really no amount of failure that will drive away some fans.

[BagoPucks]

Alrite so we love the game of hockey but dont think the local team is worth your time. Who do you cheer for and how do you design your life to consume that media instead of the regional stuff?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

That has nothing to do with Murray's "excellence". The tire-fire 3 hrs north or Cleveland Browns show that there is really no amount of failure that will drive away some fans.

Katz completed humiliated Edmonton and us though. His goal wasn’t to have a successful product on the ice, it was to get his real estate development with the ice district and then to party with the 80 oilers legends.

Like Edwards, neither are dumb because they could care less about winning the cup or even trying to win it (though either would obviously love to for personal and business reasons), they are just out to maximize profits. Edward does it by making sure the Flames have just passable teams so when it comes to season renewal tickets there’s still “next year” and they don’t have to worry about the dreaded “R” word.

Neither of these guys are dumb for using their hockey teams to make money. If anything it’s the fans for supporting them.