2016 World Cup of Hockey

[getbak]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'd be very surprised if it isn't the exact same lineup from Saturday.

And confirmed...

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Babcock says same lineup for Game 1 of final

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mike F

The core of the current World Cup team and the past Olympic team was from the generation that dominated at the junior level, where Canada won 5 straight World Junior Championships.

In the 7 years since then, Canada has won the World Juniors once, and has only 1 medal in the past 4 years.

More parity is coming...

yeah the world juniors...where Canada's best players are in the NHL

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mike F

The core of the current World Cup team and the past Olympic team was from the generation that dominated at the junior level, where Canada won 5 straight World Junior Championships.

In the 7 years since then, Canada has won the World Juniors once, and has only 1 medal in the past 4 years.

More parity is coming...

Originally Posted by dino7c

yeah the world juniors...where Canada's best players are in the NHL

Canada didn't win the World Juniors from 1998-2004 (7 years in a row). Yet they won the Olympics in 2002, 2010 and 2014. Lots of those latter winners were part of the losing junior teams.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Canada didn't win the World Juniors from 1998-2004 (7 years in a row). Yet they won the Olympics in 2002, 2010 and 2014. Lots of those latter winners were part of the losing junior teams.

I don't agree. It seems more accurate to say, as Mike F has pointed out, that the current World Cup team—which comprises basically the same core of players from the 2010, 2014 Olympic teams—is essentially the same group that was winning juniour championships in 2005–2009.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lots of those latter winners were part of the losing junior teams.

Well, they say there is no better springboard for development than failure.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Canada didn't win the World Juniors from 1998-2004 (7 years in a row). Yet they won the Olympics in 2002, 2010 and 2014. Lots of those latter winners were part of the losing junior teams.

That's essentially untrue...

Seabrook, Carter, Getzlaf, Crosby, and Mike Richards were on the 2004 team, however all of those players were also on the 2005 team that won gold, i.e. were part of the generation of winning. Other than those players...

The 2002 Olympic team had 2 players from the 98-04 World Junior generation - Simon Gagner and Eric Brewer;

The 2010 Olympic Team had 4 players from that generation - Fleury, Heatley, Luongo, and Nash.

The 2014 Olympic team had 4 players from that generation - Nash, Bouwmeester, Luongo, and Hamhuis.

Not exactly a significant contribution to Canada's dominance.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Agreed. For instance, 10 years ago, Dustin Penner was 5th in Calder Trophy voting, and projecting to be a dominant player!

Plus, anyone who projects a future Team Canada without Bennett on the roster and Monahan as the 4th centre needs to turn in his jersey

Wasn't meant to be a projection of the future, just slapped together the current best 25 and under team I could. I'm 99% sure guys like Bennett and Domi will be there in 10 years instead of guys like Skinner and Couturier

[lazypucker]

Somewhat related note - all World Cup of Hockey merchandise is 50% off (except for Canada and Team Europe) at adidas.ca. Free shipping for orders over $50

http://www.adidas.ca/en/world_cup_of_hockey

Picked up a Team North America jersey myself.

[CroFlames]

Curious where you would wear a North America jersey?

[lazypucker]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Curious where you would wear a North America jersey?

Somewhere in North America maybe? You know it is a pretty big continent

I just got a blank jersey for keepsake, maybe get Gaudreau put on when he signs long-term here with the Flames. Fingers crossed....

[CroFlames]

Touche haha.


Jonathan Toews is 45-1-1 for Canada. It's hard to be pumped for international play when Canada does nothing but dominate. The world juniors is fun because Canada doesn't win every year.

[TomLeeMC]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Touche haha.


Jonathan Toews is 45-1-1 for Canada. It's hard to be pumped for international play when Canada does nothing but dominate. The world juniors is fun because Canada doesn't win every year.

Winning is fun.... I'll never get tired of Canada kicking ass.

[dino7c]

I was just responding to the idea that "they will suck"

They may not be as dominant but they certainly won't suck...Canada will be one of the favorites for sure

not winning the world juniors means nothing because their top few guys are always contributing at the NHL level

Monahan, McDavid ect. would have given the team pretty massive boosts in recent years

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Curious where you would wear a North America jersey?

I guess to an Oilers game if you're a McDavid fan but would never be caught dead in Oil orange

Anyways,

https://www.instagram.com/p/BK1HcECgXld/

Hahaha Doughty.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Curious where you would wear a North America jersey?

kelownafornia rap video?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't agree. It seems more accurate to say, as Mike F has pointed out, that the current World Cup team—which comprises basically the same core of players from the 2010, 2014 Olympic teams—is essentially the same group that was winning juniour championships in 2005–2009.

Actually, quite a few of the 10/14 team came from the losing teams from 98-04 teams as well. Luongo, Nash, Hamhuis, Fleury, both Richards, Carter, Seabrook, Crosby, BUrns, Getzlaf, Spezza, Heatley, Jaybo.

On the other hand not too many guys from the previous gold medal run from 93-97 made those Olympic winning teams. Kariya, Iggy, Peca, Jovo, Thornton.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mike F

That's essentially untrue...

Seabrook, Carter, Getzlaf, Crosby, and Mike Richards were on the 2004 team, however all of those players were also on the 2005 team that won gold, i.e. were part of the generation of winning. Other than those players...

The 2002 Olympic team had 2 players from the 98-04 World Junior generation - Simon Gagner and Eric Brewer;

The 2010 Olympic Team had 4 players from that generation - Fleury, Heatley, Luongo, and Nash.

The 2014 Olympic team had 4 players from that generation - Nash, Bouwmeester, Luongo, and Hamhuis.

Not exactly a significant contribution to Canada's dominance.

You are missing some I think. Morrow, Burns and Spezza? And being on the losing team doesn't count if you were on the winning team the next year? OK I guess.

But it turns out that the guys from the recent WJC winning streak made up about the same amount of those 3 Olympic winners than the guys from the previous losing streak. Aside from the players from the losing streak, and the crossover guys, you have: Weber, Toews, Doughty,Tavares, Benn, Perry, Pietrangelo, Price, Bergeron and Subban. That's 10, just like the amount from the losing streak, and then I guess you count the guys from 04-05 in both camps.

The point is, I doubt you can make that direct correlation. Besides, you then work in anomolies like Nagano where Canada had the best talent and should've won IMO (but for Hasek plus bad coaching decisions). Or Turin where they built the team wrong.

[troutman]

Minor hockey registrations in the USA recently passed Canadian numbers, and that gap is likely to grow in the future.

Maybe in one generation, the USA will be the dominant hockey power.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/sports-junior/

http://www.csib.ca/blog/melting-ice-...-hockey-crisis

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/edit...or_hockey.html

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Hahah great goal off the rush!!!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Pretty impressive by Marchand to put that puck under the bar from where it was, near his back skate.