2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

When the Flames traded a 3rd for Vladar, he was an unproven 23-year-old goaltender with five NHL games but who was also coming off two strong AHL seasons in Providence.

Two years later, Vladar is a 25-year-old goaltender with 55 NHL games and a career .899 NHL save percentage. He also costs nearly three times more in salary and is on a contract that walks him directly to UFA. I'm to believe his value, over that timeframe, has gone up?

I am confident that when evaluated by coaches and analytics departments with data and analytics that they pay for, and that you don’t see… he has value you underestimate

[stemit14]

Would the flames be able to acquire Seth Jarvis for an extended Lindholm? Carolina’s first round pick is 30th overall so it has less value than other first round picks. I would love for the flames to acquire a player like Jarvis who looks ready to pop. I didn’t watch much of him in the regular season but, in my opinion, he was the best forward for Carolina in their series against Florida.

He kind of reminds me of Kyle Connor - at least in this year’s playoffs. Smart player with a great shot and fantastic straight line speed. I think he would fit in really well with Huberdeau.

Would not surprise me though if Carolina considers him as part of their untouchables list. He is a young centre with consecutive 40 point seasons in his first two years in the league. And he put up 10 points in 15 playoff games this year and was a +7.

Carolina was rumoured to be interested in Backlund/Lindholm at the trade deadline. A Lindholm (extended) for Jarvis trade would fit the mold of a retool rather than rebuild. Really not sure if either team would have to add. Seems like a pretty even risk/reward for both teams.


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[topfiverecords]

Waiving Vladar? Lol. I know the oxygen levels are low around here but come on now.

[TheScorpion]

On how many teams is Vladar A) immediately at least a No. 2 option and B) workable under the cap as a $2.2 million backup?

[Badgers Nose]

I like how messiah GMBT could do no wrong while he was here, and yet now that he is gone many of his contracts are #### and people want to waive players he extended, or package them with picks to dump them.

Extending Vladar when he didnt have to, after giving Marky the big contract was just stupid.

GMBT has a real weakspot when it comes to solving for goaltending. Can’t wait to see how he messes that up in the world’s toughest hockey market.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

LeBrun:
“The Kings also got Vladislav Gavrikov re-signed, leaving just one gaping hole to fill: No. 1 goaltender. The problem is they don’t have a lot of cap space left ($7.33 million). So they would have to jump through cap hoops if they want to add, say, Gibson or Hellebuyck. It’s more likely that they’ll either try to land an inexpensive piece — someone like Vladar or wait to see how a UFA market plays out, with names like Freddie Andersen, Antti Raanta, Tristan Jarry, Semyon Varlamov and Joonas Korpisalo available. Maybe there’s a potential bargain there.”

The Kings might have to settle on Vladar as an option, they’ll have a hard time fitting the remaining RFAs they have and trying to acquire a bonafide starting goaltender like Helle or Saros like they originally wanted to. Perhaps the Flames can get a great return for Vladar with contending teams that are in dire need of a goalie capable of starting half the games and only paid 2m.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

On how many teams is Vladar A) immediately at least a No. 2 option and B) workable under the cap as a $2.2 million backup?

The Kings will probably look at him if Korpisalo doesn’t sign under 2.2. They don’t have much space to work with so Vladar would be an ideal candidate.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I am confident that when evaluated by coaches and analytics departments with data and analytics that they pay for, and that you don’t see… he has value you underestimate

He’s also a great character guy who knows he’s signing up for a backup role. If he can perform well in that role going forward then his biggest value is in keeping him.

[GioforPM]

Kings, Habs, Isles, TBL, STl, NYR, Minnie, Winnipeg.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I am confident that when evaluated by coaches and analytics departments with data and analytics that they pay for, and that you don’t see… he has value you underestimate

However, Vladar's goals saved above expected per 60 was actually a lot worse than Markstrom's. Vladar was 6th worst in the league for goalies who played 20 games or more (out of 63 goalies). Markstrom was the 25th lowest. Still bad, but not among the worst.

I'm sure you're probably right if you look deeper. For an example, Vladar likely won more games than Markstrom because he didn't allow a goal on the first shot as often as Markstrom did. These things matter as well and aren't reflected by goals saved above expected stats.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

He’s also a great character guy who knows he’s signing up for a backup role. If he can perform well in that role going forward then his biggest value is in keeping him.

We can't keep him if we want Wolf playing for the Flames in 2023. Markstorm/Wolf NEEDS to be the tandem. We could also use his cap for someone else.

I think he is going to be used in a packaged deal with one of our 7 pending UFAs in 2024 to get a good return.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

On how many teams is Vladar A) immediately at least a No. 2 option and B) workable under the cap as a $2.2 million backup?

He should be Calgarys number one option.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

We can't keep him if we want Wolf playing for the Flames in 2023. Markstorm/Wolf NEEDS to be the tandem. We could also use his cap for someone else.

I think he is going to be used in a packaged deal with one of our 7 pending UFAs in 2024 to get a good return.

I guess I’d say that my Option A would be to not have Markstrom next year. So that’s where the thought is coming from.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

We can't keep him if we want Wolf playing for the Flames in 2023. Markstorm/Wolf NEEDS to be the tandem. We could also use his cap for someone else.

I think he is going to be used in a packaged deal with one of our 7 pending UFAs in 2024 to get a good return.

That doesn’t NEED to be the tandem at the start of the year however. If you can’t make a positive deal for Vladar or Markstrom you can start the season with those 2 and if you have roster flexibility still sneak Wolf in for the odd home start or something?

This league is all about what you have done for me lately so a hot start here and a goalie injury there the Flames make a trade early next season for positive value and then get Wolf up full time. With no waivers they are not stuck having 3 goalies or Wolf on the roster right away

[Monahammer]

I want Zach Bolduc out of St. Louis.

Hanifin for Bolduc and St Louis' 1st? Maybe we need a slight add?

[Saqe]

I haven't seen Florida mentioned as a trading partner for Hanifin, I would say it's 99.99% sure they will be looking for a top four LD to upgrade on Marc Staal.

[Toonage]

^ No 1st round picks for some time

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Kings, Habs, Isles, TBL, STl, NYR, Minnie, Winnipeg.

Kings are going to let Korpisalo walk and go with Copley and Vladar?

Wild are going to let Gustavsson go and go with Fleury and Vladar?

TBL have the cap space to go with an expensive back up?

NYR have the cap space to go with an expensive back up?

Maybe the Habs, Jets and Blues will be interested but then again there could be other options better or cheaper than Vladar.

Better chances he gets waived and clears than we get a 2nd. A 2nd right now is laughable and its more a bunch of Flames fans being bias and over valuing our players.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^ No 1st round picks for some time

True but if the Flames are looking to be contenders then I don't think that should be a deal breaker. Wouldn't they prefer a roster player more?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That doesn’t NEED to be the tandem at the start of the year however. If you can’t make a positive deal for Vladar or Markstrom you can start the season with those 2 and if you have roster flexibility still sneak Wolf in for the odd home start or something?

This league is all about what you have done for me lately so a hot start here and a goalie injury there the Flames make a trade early next season for positive value and then get Wolf up full time. With no waivers they are not stuck having 3 goalies or Wolf on the roster right away

I think beginning of the season is when Vladar gets moved. I know the draft is more optimal, but after training camp a bunch of teams will realize their young up and coming goalies aren't ready yet, and PTO goalies are not going to cut it either. Stats aside, Vladar is a youngish 6'5" guy with experience against all manner of NHL opposition. Backup stats are weird - look at Brossoit's numbers from one year to the next, on the same teams.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Saqe

True but if the Flames are looking to be contenders then I don't think that should be a deal breaker. Wouldn't they prefer a roster player more?

It certainly would fit the organizaion's MO to double/triple/quadruple down on an aging core that isn't good enough to win in the first place.