2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[bluejays]

What is the market for a backup, hopeful to be a starter, goaltender like Vladar? I would think it’s not too far off from Campbell when he was in LA. So maybe a 2nd rounder? Personally I see Vladar as a backup so a second sounds reasonably realistic.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by bluejays

What is the market for a backup, hopeful to be a starter, goaltender like Vladar? I would think it’s not too far off from Campbell when he was in LA. So maybe a 2nd rounder? Personally I see Vladar as a backup so a second sounds reasonably realistic.

Back up like Campbell had good numbers. Vladar was below a .900 SV%. We are not getting a 2nd for him.

He might end up on waivers and on the Wranglers next year.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Back up like Campbell had good numbers. Vladar was below a .900 SV%. We are not getting a 2nd for him.

He might end up on waivers and on the Wranglers next year.

Lmao, ok.

[Spurs]

Vladar isn't anything special as a back-up and certainly hasn't shown any indication he could be a starter. I can't see how anyone gives up a 2nd for him, a 3rd would be a great get for the Flames.

[TheScorpion]

Yeah ... I'd be surprised if the Flames recouped what they paid for Vladar. Laugh all you want but .895 goalies are dime-a-dozen. Adin Hill had a stronger track record and was traded for a 4th just one year ago.

I wouldn't be holding out hope for more than a 5th or 6th.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yeah ... I'd be surprised if the Flames recouped what they paid for Vladar. Laugh all you want but .895 goalies are dime-a-dozen. Adin Hill had a stronger track record and was traded for a 4th just one year ago.

I wouldn't be holding out hope for more than a 5th or 6th.

Yeah the value Vlader had was in his 800k contract. I could see a 4th if there is more than one team interested.

[Mr.Coffee]

A 2nd is fair value for Vladar.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

A 2nd is fair value for Vladar.

When the Flames traded a 3rd for Vladar, he was an unproven 23-year-old goaltender with five NHL games but who was also coming off two strong AHL seasons in Providence.

Two years later, Vladar is a 25-year-old goaltender with 55 NHL games and a career .899 NHL save percentage. He also costs nearly three times more in salary and is on a contract that walks him directly to UFA. I'm to believe his value, over that timeframe, has gone up?

[Toonage]

A few days ago someone here suggested Vladar for Liljegren. I really liked that deal

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

A 2nd is fair value for Vladar.

It isn't at all. He's had time to prove himself at the NHL level and came in just under .900 save percentage. THey'd be lucky to get a 3rd for him.

What bothers me is that I feel Vladar could have been more if Sutter/Treliving hadn't made it clear that they valued getting Markstrom back on track over letting Vladar ride a hot hand and gain confidence week after week. Dude was flying and our management felt they had to get Markstrom back on track, which I guess I understand with the investment, but still.

We may be looking at a different Vladar right now.

[bluejays]

I positioned my question a bit misleading. I think if you can get a 2nd by hoodwinking someone desperate enough (say, a GM thinking Sutter ruined the guy), you take it. Realistically a mediocre GM should get a 3rd though. Truly the guy doesn't have starter potential.

[bax]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

When the Flames traded a 3rd for Vladar, he was an unproven 23-year-old goaltender with five NHL games but who was also coming off two strong AHL seasons in Providence.

Two years later, Vladar is a 25-year-old goaltender with 55 NHL games and a career .899 NHL save percentage. He also costs nearly three times more in salary and is on a contract that walks him directly to UFA. I'm to believe his value, over that timeframe, has gone up?

If Vladar gets moved I think a lot of people will be surprised by the value he brings back. From people I’ve talked to it seems like he’s pretty well thought of in certain circles. Lots to like in terms of raw technical ability. Numbers don’t tell the whole story as they say.

[Sandman]

I was super stoked when we picked up Vladar, he has a lot more to show. Don’t forget, he was vastly out playing Markstrom for stretches of the season, and I believe his stats were pretty exemplary for a big chunk of the year- but the team really imploded. I think if we let him go, we’ll have a miniature version of what happened with Giguere on our hands. Just my opinion.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I was super stoked when we picked up Vladar, he has a lot more to show. Don’t forget, he was vastly out playing Markstrom for stretches of the season, and I believe his stats were pretty exemplary for a big chunk of the year- but the team really imploded. I think if we let him go, we’ll have a miniature version of what happened with Giguere on our hands. Just my opinion.

I think you're right, he's at that age where goalies often suddenly pop off.
And Vladar has shown, at the very least, that he is great at winning games.

But just because of the save percentage and contract, I'm not sure about his trade value.
Would much rather trade Markstrom, but his contract is even hard to move.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lmao, ok.

Vladar will end up on waivers, clear and get assigned to AHL sometime this summer

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Vladar will end up on waivers, clear and get assigned to AHL sometime this summer

Highly highly unlikely.

[Poe969]

As.long as Siglet is on the coaching staff, goaltending will be questionable at best.

He needs to go before they bring up Wolf.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bax

If Vladar gets moved I think a lot of people will be surprised by the value he brings back. From people I’ve talked to it seems like he’s pretty well thought of in certain circles. Lots to like in terms of raw technical ability. Numbers don’t tell the whole story as they say.

Save percentage is often a team stat to a large degree. Like plus/minus for skaters, you have to compare it to others on the same team for it to mean much.

If Markstrom had a good save percentage, and Vladar was still below 0.900, then it would seem like he was putting in poor performances, but the fact both goalies had similar underlying stats suggests to me that there was something else going on with how the team was playing in front of the goalies.

I am sure other GMs and pro scouts are going to rely on eye tests and deeper analytics to judge him and not just simple stats. Just my opinion, but I thought he looked pretty good most of the time, for a goalie his age and with limited experience. I would not be surprised at all if he has another level in him still. Even Dominik Hasek didn't post a season with a better save percentage than 0.900 until he was 28/29 years old. It's often the case with goalies that they don't peak until their late 20s. Not saying that Vladar is the next Hasek, but in a lot of ways, I still see him as a prospect.

Having said that, the trade market for unproven goalies is not great. Reto Berra went for a 2nd rounder years ago, so that might be the high water mark for a return. Personally, I'd rather keep him and trade Markstrom at this point, but that likely isn't a choice.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I positioned my question a bit misleading. I think if you can get a 2nd by hoodwinking someone desperate enough (say, a GM thinking Sutter ruined the guy), you take it. Realistically a mediocre GM should get a 3rd though. Truly the guy doesn't have starter potential.

I would not say this with certainty based on how late some goalies show sudden potential in their development.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Back up like Campbell had good numbers. Vladar was below a .900 SV%. We are not getting a 2nd for him.

He might end up on waivers and on the Wranglers next year.

He would be claimed in a second on Waivers

25 is still pretty young for a goalie guys