2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

When was the last time (s) a team traded 2 first round picks in a deal ?

I can’t recall it happening

Brandon Hagel.

Good young player with 2.5 years left on a sweetheart deal.

And Chicago had no reason to trade him absent a huge overpay.

Last year they drafted Oliver Moore with the first of the two picks.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Problem there is the maximum value you would get out of Lindholm as an uber-cheap center is countered by the big hit Markstrom brings to the table. Removes the vast majority of the league from the mix. Markstrom gets moved on his own IMO because of the term in his contract.

I feel like if one year of Kuemper at 4.5 million dollars under a 81.5 million dollar cap was worth a 1st, a 3rd and a former 32nd overall pick who was 22 at the time and had played 33 NHL games then surely a 6 million dollar Markstrom for 2 years in a 87.5 million dollar cap world has some significant value. If you can get that package for a goalie who had been a starter for 3 years before the trade that takes up 5.5% of your cap you should be able to get something for a goalie that takes up 6.8% of the cap (assuming no retention) who has been a starter for 8 years.

I agree you do not package him, the teams that want Markstrom do not need to packaged up. And the return for Markstrom should start but not end with a 1st round pick.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

One less season and a more restrictive NTC.

Nah, Chychrun had no trade protection and had 2.5 seasons left on his contract when he was traded. It is basically the exact same situation and I don't think Andersson has a tonne more value. Andersson isn't demanding a trade but Zegras is better than anything that was in the Chychrun package.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Nah, Chychrun had no trade protection and had 2.5 seasons left on his contract when he was traded. It is basically the exact same situation and I don't think Andersson has a tonne more value. Andersson isn't demanding a trade but Zegras is better than anything that was in the Chychrun package.

I'd disagree.

Chychrun hasn't shown the ability to stay healthy for any regular period of time (dating back to JR), and had a trade request in place. Additionally he isn't coming off consecutive 50 point seasons either.

To me, Rasmus should easily hold more value at this moment in time.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by shutout

I think that to a team in their contending window that needs a goaltender that Markstrom is worth the equivalent of a second and third round pick.

That would be a second round pick and a 5-8 prospect on a teams list.

If you are retaining 1/3 on the contract then I think it becomes the equivalent of 2 second round picks or a late first round pick. Once it is a first round pick then you are getting a 6-10 teams prospect.

Best bet would be that you would trade Markstom $2M retained and Tanev at 50% retained and that should get you a first round pick and a 3-5 team prospect. Teams are looking at doing a better job of decreasing goals against than Tanev is the perfect person to go over with Markstrom.

Tanev alone at 50% retained should be worth a 1st and a prospect

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No the part where you downplay the rebound this season and suggest he still sucks.

Luckily there are better data points available than save percentage to judge goaltenders these days!

Saying he sucks is a bit of hyperbole there but he’s not elite anymore, and who knows where his head is at for the playoffs. If my money were on a good playoff performance or not it would be on the not because of his play the past two years. Just a theory. Anyway, stats in isolation don’t tell the full story. As was shown he’s making the difficult saves but conflicting is his poor save percentage. To me he lets in brain cramp goals too which is tough.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m open to the discussion. So why is his save percentage so low? He’s anecdotally letting in poor goals from what I see.

Because save% is a terribly inconsistent stat. Look at last game. Zero weak goals (and two were downright unfair to him). Yet because the shots were limited he finished barely above .900.

Is Oettinger a poor goalie? Vasilevksy? Shesterkin? Saaros? Thompson? Their save% is all below Markstrom's.

In save% a goal on a wide open shot by a scrub that's just whiffed on counts the same as a two on one versus the other team's best players. Have a look at his stats versus the goalies who play behind the same skaters as he does - mainly Vladar.

If you see bad goals from Markstrom more than any other goalie I can't help that one. I haven't.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

To bolster their team for a playoff run?

doubt it

Why not? While Zegras is not the two way guy Lindholm is he is also not a rental and will be a much better offensive player for years to come. A 1-2 punch of MacKinnon and Zegras down the middle for years to come would be scary.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why not? While Zegras is not the two way guy Lindholm is he is also not a rental and will be a much better offensive player for years to come. A 1-2 punch of MacKinnon and Zegras down the middle for years to come would be scary.

Depends on what Zegras is and the Avs don’t necessarily have the time to wait. I am taking LindholmiIf I’m a team that has a legit chance to win a cup.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Saying he sucks is a bit of hyperbole there but he’s not elite anymore, and who knows where his head is at for the playoffs. If my money were on a good playoff performance or not it would be on the not because of his play the past two years. Just a theory. Anyway, stats in isolation don’t tell the full story. As was shown he’s making the difficult saves but conflicting is his poor save percentage. To me he lets in brain cramp goals too which is tough.

Well what's elite if being either 1st (private data) or 6th (public data) in goals saved above average for goaltenders isn't elite?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why not? While Zegras is not the two way guy Lindholm is he is also not a rental and will be a much better offensive player for years to come. A 1-2 punch of MacKinnon and Zegras down the middle for years to come would be scary.

Colorado is more worried about now than years to come

I think you have a higher view of Zegras than I do, there is a reason the Ducks management aren't huge fans

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Depends on what Zegras is and the Avs don’t necessarily have the time to wait. I am taking LindholmiIf I’m a team that has a legit chance to win a cup.

any current contender would

[Pickle Juice]

I wonder about a 3 way trade between New Jersey, Anahiem and the Flames to land Zegras?

If you could somehow turn a Markstrom return from New Jersey into Zegras?

Might need to be Markstrom and Tanev to get it done, but in my opinion that would be huge to turn those guys into a Zegras.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

I wonder about a 3 way trade between New Jersey, Anahiem and the Flames to land Zegras?

If you could somehow turn a Markstrom return from New Jersey into Zegras?

Might need to be Markstrom and Tanev to get it done, but in my opinion that would be huge to turn those guys into a Zegras.

That would get Conroy a statue

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If I thought he would stay I agree with you but I just don't think he is the type of US born player that would. Zegras has 2 years left after this year which means you get him for a year and then probably hace to trade him. Don't get me wrong, I think he is an exciting top C in the making but too risky.

With him being a RFA at the end of his deal the Flames could keep him for 2 and if he didn’t want to sign his RFA rights should be worth a ton.

With him being such a highlight reel and having good production it is interesting that he would be available for trade? Could just be the tough negotiation last summer like they had with Drysdale?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well what's elite if being either 1st (private data) or 6th (public data) in goals saved above average for goaltenders isn't elite?

Fair. I just don’t believe in him at all for the playoffs.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Because save% is a terribly inconsistent stat. Look at last game. Zero weak goals (and two were downright unfair to him). Yet because the shots were limited he finished barely above .900.

Is Oettinger a poor goalie? Vasilevksy? Shesterkin? Saaros? Thompson? Their save% is all below Markstrom's.

In save% a goal on a wide open shot by a scrub that's just whiffed on counts the same as a two on one versus the other team's best players. Have a look at his stats versus the goalies who play behind the same skaters as he does - mainly Vladar.

If you see bad goals from Markstrom more than any other goalie I can't help that one. I haven't.

I still think it’s a fair stat from the perspective that all goaltenders have those same obstacles. If you have a good sample it’s telling something. Where I can see a hole poked in it is the amount of quality chances differing team to team. Stronger defences could have more outside or clear shots for their goaltender. Some of those other goaltenders this year aren’t playing up to par. But with Markstroms recent history of not performing in the playoffs, I’m skeptical, that’s all.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Fair. I just don’t believe in him at all for the playoffs.

he had one bad playoff round and multiple good ones

like what goalie hasn't?

Ottinger sucked last playoffs

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The guy is 22.

In 200 NHL games, he has 146 points - and he's been playing on a tire fire of a team.

I'd 100% trade Andersson for that.

The idea that Zegras is overrated because he's done the michigan? Nah, look at his production. Look at his skillset. Critizing him for not being a two way player? He's a 22 year old centre.

It’s not that Zegras isn’t a polished two-way centre yet. He hasn’t shown any interest in developing his game away from the puck. He’s as one-dimensional as they come, and will likely stay that way. Andersson has more value.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Because save% is a terribly inconsistent stat. Look at last game. Zero weak goals (and two were downright unfair to him). Yet because the shots were limited he finished barely above .900.

Is Oettinger a poor goalie? Vasilevksy? Shesterkin? Saaros? Thompson? Their save% is all below Markstrom's.

In save% a goal on a wide open shot by a scrub that's just whiffed on counts the same as a two on one versus the other team's best players. Have a look at his stats versus the goalies who play behind the same skaters as he does - mainly Vladar.

If you see bad goals from Markstrom more than any other goalie I can't help that one. I haven't.

Goaltenders are terribly inconsistent. Therefore, it is a terrible idea to spend 10% of cap on them.