12-19-2025, 09:17 AM
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#16601
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Lmao, a little overdramatic there bud.
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Is it? The team has zero stars or core pieces as of right now. Wolf is the only guy that might be one and he has had his struggles. Parekh is a big question mark still. Coronato has potential but is likely a support piece. Beyond that there are some okay prospects but none of them project to be stars. That is not the make up of an elite future. This is why the Flames should commit to a top pick this year and actually land that first core piece. Why are we trying to squeeze out a few extra wins with aging vets nearing the end of their career? Just accelerate the inevitable. I honestly don't even care about the returns. If Conroy can get a 2nd or late 1st it really doesn't matter all that much. The difference between 2nd overall and 9th overall is way more important to the future of the franchise.
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12-19-2025, 09:19 AM
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#16602
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Is it? The team has zero stars or core pieces as of right now. Wolf is the only guy that might be one and he has had his struggles. Parekh is a big question mark still. Coronato has potential but is likely a support piece. Beyond that there are some okay prospects but none of them project to be stars. That is not the make up of an elite future. This is why the Flames should commit to a top pick this year and actually land that first core piece. Why are we trying to squeeze out a few extra wins with aging vets nearing the end of their career? Just accelerate the inevitable. I honestly don't even care about the returns. If Conroy can get a 2nd or late 1st it really doesn't matter all that much. The difference between 2nd overall and 9th overall is way more important to the future of the franchise.
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Yes ... no future is over dramatic.
A conversation about being done the rebuild, or having what they need to compete, etc is fair game and would have most of us saying there is a lot of work to do.
But "no future" is click bait from an obvious source.
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12-19-2025, 09:25 AM
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#16604
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Franchise Player
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Last week of January can't come quick enough. I don't think any trade will happen before then unless a bidding war between a few teams starts up.
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12-19-2025, 09:35 AM
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#16605
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Bingo
I think you set a price, but have points in time where you need to lower the price or not get the deal done ... especially with expiring contracts.
I think he was able to wait out Lindholm (Canucks stepped up), and Markstrom (wasn't expiring and waited to the summer).
I think he had to lower his price for Hanifin and for Tanev to make sure he didn't get painted into a corner.
With the lowered price tag it's more than likely that he turned down better deals previously and with that made a mistake, but that's a reality for every GM.
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We will never know what the best offer was and if he got it. And you could present 3-4 so called best offers and fans could all have a different opinion on what the best offer was.
For me, I think the biggest issue I have with people complaining about a return A vs return B is the difference in the value draft picks. A late 1st for a 2nd isn't as dramatic as most make it out to be. Odds are both picks amount to nothing.
Take the Tanev deal, lots wanted a 1st but Conroy for a 2nd and Grushnikov. I get that most of us do not care about how well the Wranglers play and the cutlure that team has, but the difference of a 1st to a 2nd if the 1st is outside the top 20 is maybe 3% chance at a top 2 line forward or d. Even if Grushnikov never plays in the NHL, scouts had him as a mature potential captain type player. Having him the system and having prospects like Gridin in the AHL brings value that Conroy considered that the rest of us just brush off like Grush = bust so bad trade CC.
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12-19-2025, 09:39 AM
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#16606
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: MTL
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For any Leafs proposal, I would not accept any conditions on the 2028 first. When you punt the draft pick 3 years down the road, you can't assume the pick will be able to contribute to the club for at least 5 years. This doesn't really help the Flames for a long time, and should result in increased leverage for CC.
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12-19-2025, 09:43 AM
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#16607
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Trade freeze kicks in tonight correct? I wonder if we see anything league wide today?
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12-19-2025, 09:50 AM
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#16608
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Franchise Player
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Dec. 20-27 Holiday roster freeze in effect:
For all players on an NHL active roster, injured reserve, or with non-roster and injured non-roster
status as of 11:59 p.m. (local time) Dec. 19, a roster freeze shall apply through 12:01 a.m. (local time)
Dec. 28, with respect to waivers, trades and loans, subject to the exceptions provided for in CBA
Article 16.5 (d).
https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/pub...26KeyDates.pdf
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12-19-2025, 09:58 AM
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#16609
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Back in Calgary
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Originally Posted by activeStick
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Good, get him with a 2nd or 3rd and let his dad work him back into the player he was supposed to be. What we know about his family work ethic shouldn't be an issue.
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12-19-2025, 10:06 AM
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#16610
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Franchise Player
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A 2028 pick unless it ends up top of the draft isn’t playing / contributing until 2032ish - assuming they work out
If that’s the best you can get sure I guess - but I don’t see the Leafs being bottom of the standings bad in 2018.
I actually would love the Flames to get a prospect they are high on vs a pick for Andersson but you need 2 to tango
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12-19-2025, 10:16 AM
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#16611
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Yes ... no future is over dramatic.
A conversation about being done the rebuild, or having what they need to compete, etc is fair game and would have most of us saying there is a lot of work to do.
But "no future" is click bait from an obvious source.
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20 years ago we had steve jobs, bob hope, and right wing jarome iginla
now we have no jobs, no hope, and special advisor to the GM jarome iginla.
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12-19-2025, 10:37 AM
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#16612
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
Trade freeze kicks in tonight correct? I wonder if we see anything league wide today?
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I am skeptical.
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12-19-2025, 10:46 AM
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#16613
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Is it? The team has zero stars or core pieces as of right now. Wolf is the only guy that might be one and he has had his struggles. Parekh is a big question mark still. Coronato has potential but is likely a support piece. Beyond that there are some okay prospects but none of them project to be stars. That is not the make up of an elite future. This is why the Flames should commit to a top pick this year and actually land that first core piece. Why are we trying to squeeze out a few extra wins with aging vets nearing the end of their career? Just accelerate the inevitable. I honestly don't even care about the returns. If Conroy can get a 2nd or late 1st it really doesn't matter all that much. The difference between 2nd overall and 9th overall is way more important to the future of the franchise.
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I agree that we really need a top pick this year (or next) when we have potential franchise-altering talents available, but I think to say we have zero stars/core pieces right now is disingenuous, even if your argument is that they're "not stars yet"
Wolf has shown at every level that he's an elite goaltender and barring anything unforeseen happening, he is going to be a top goalie in this league for years to come. He had a crap start to the year, but so did the entire team, and even the best goalies go through periods where they aren't very good.
So far in December, he has a 2.22 and 0.916, which would be up there with the goaltending leaders and impressive on a team like this.
And I don't think Parekh is a question mark at all - he didn't really look out of place at the start of the year, despite his deployment being questionable (I don't think he was given the right partners at all), despite the entire team playing poorly, and despite him evidently playing through a nagging injury. He may not be an immediate star right out of the gate, but he has too much talent and smarts to not be a star sooner than later.
Apart from Wolf and Parekh, I agree that there are a lot of question marks on how many potential stars we do or don't have. I do think Coronato will be a star in the league but I also think he needs to play with the right linemates to maximize his potential.
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12-19-2025, 10:53 AM
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#16614
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by FanSince'01
I agree that we really need a top pick this year (or next) when we have potential franchise-altering talents available, but I think to say we have zero stars/core pieces right now is disingenuous, even if your argument is that they're "not stars yet"
Wolf has shown at every level that he's an elite goaltender and barring anything unforeseen happening, he is going to be a top goalie in this league for years to come. He had a crap start to the year, but so did the entire team, and even the best goalies go through periods where they aren't very good.
So far in December, he has a 2.22 and 0.916, which would be up there with the goaltending leaders and impressive on a team like this.
And I don't think Parekh is a question mark at all - he didn't really look out of place at the start of the year, despite his deployment being questionable (I don't think he was given the right partners at all), despite the entire team playing poorly, and despite him evidently playing through a nagging injury. He may not be an immediate star right out of the gate, but he has too much talent and smarts to not be a star sooner than later.
Apart from Wolf and Parekh, I agree that there are a lot of question marks on how many potential stars we do or don't have. I do think Coronato will be a star in the league but I also think he needs to play with the right linemates to maximize his potential.
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Once some trades go through, I think Gridin will be back in the NHL. I think he has more potential than Coronato.
Reschny is on team Canada and Parekh is on the top pairing. Can't wait to see them play in a tournament like this.
1 elite franchise forward that bumps each one of these guys down the depth chart will make a huge difference.
I don't think they Flames will be out of the basement next year either and I'm ok with anyone one of the top 4 picks. Vancouver might play better if Demko stays healthy and Nashville has a history of playing well in the 2nd half. Really, it's wide open for the top pick still.
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12-19-2025, 11:34 AM
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#16615
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Macho0978
Once some trades go through, I think Gridin will be back in the NHL. I think he has more potential than Coronato.
Reschny is on team Canada and Parekh is on the top pairing. Can't wait to see them play in a tournament like this.
1 elite franchise forward that bumps each one of these guys down the depth chart will make a huge difference.
I don't think they Flames will be out of the basement next year either and I'm ok with anyone one of the top 4 picks. Vancouver might play better if Demko stays healthy and Nashville has a history of playing well in the 2nd half. Really, it's wide open for the top pick still.
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Forgot about Gridin to be honest but I agree, I think both he and Reschny have star potential though it's still a bit early to tell for Reschny. I think Gridin is showing enough that you can reasonably say there's a good chance he becomes a star.
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12-19-2025, 11:43 AM
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#16616
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by 3thirty
Good, get him with a 2nd or 3rd and let his dad work him back into the player he was supposed to be. What we know about his family work ethic shouldn't be an issue.
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Maybe he just ends up being an Alex Nylander.
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12-19-2025, 12:00 PM
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#16618
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
I think there are 3 future stars in the organization right now:
Wolf
Parekh
Gridin
I think there are a couple of potential stars too:
Wyttenbach is definitely making jumps up my list
Suniev - although slow to start the AHL - has some serious star potential IMO. Incredibly talented and has size too.
Mews may be here. He would probably have made the WJC team this year too if not for his injury. Small sample size so too early to tell.
There are other guys too. The NHL is all about speed now. A guy like Mathew Phillips just wasn't talented enough or fast enough. Potter is definitely fast enough, and he has the IQ and hands too. Maybe there is something more to him too.
Reschny has been climbing up my own books. I had him as an adequate 2nd line center, but he is proving that he might just be a 1st line center. I guess we will see, but it is hard not to like his game and the overall package he has. He just dispaced O'Brien - 6'2" RHS center that was taken 8th overall in the same draft on Team Canada. What does that say to you?
Then there is a LOT of really good depth. Basha is starting slow, but I will be shocked if he isn't a middle-six NHL'er in a couple of seasons. Honzek is going to be a good player for Calgary. Unfortunate injuries, but the good thing is that they are never the same ones, so I am not worried about his future health in the slightest. Morin will get it together - maybe he will be the next Giordano, or maybe he will be a bottom-pairing D, but I do like his 2-way game.
Flames are going to come out of this rebuild really well. More futures will be added. This prospect pool will really take a step up this year on so many lists. I look forward to it.
I laugh at the 'future of the team is hopeless' - I see exactly the opposite. This team's future is very bright. This organization drafts and develops really well. That's all that hope I need.
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If the Flames can get a pair of 1sts+ for Kadri and Andersson and add a top 5 pick this year and potentially next year, the Flames would be in an extremely good position.
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12-19-2025, 12:05 PM
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#16619
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by blankall
If the Flames can get a pair of 1sts+ for Kadri and Andersson and add a top 5 pick this year and potentially next year, the Flames would be in an extremely good position.
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That may make them jump into the top 5, especially given what Gridin and Wyttenbach are doing at the moment. I honestly don't understand how people aren't more excited about the future.
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12-19-2025, 12:06 PM
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#16620
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
That may make them jump into the top 5, especially given what Gridin and Wyttenbach are doing at the moment. I honestly don't understand how people aren't more excited about the future.
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People around here act like the Flames have dug themselves into a hole of despair. In reality, they are a couple of obvious moves away from having an elite set of prospects.
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