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Old 12-19-2025, 09:17 AM   #16601
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Lmao, a little overdramatic there bud.
Is it? The team has zero stars or core pieces as of right now. Wolf is the only guy that might be one and he has had his struggles. Parekh is a big question mark still. Coronato has potential but is likely a support piece. Beyond that there are some okay prospects but none of them project to be stars. That is not the make up of an elite future. This is why the Flames should commit to a top pick this year and actually land that first core piece. Why are we trying to squeeze out a few extra wins with aging vets nearing the end of their career? Just accelerate the inevitable. I honestly don't even care about the returns. If Conroy can get a 2nd or late 1st it really doesn't matter all that much. The difference between 2nd overall and 9th overall is way more important to the future of the franchise.
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Old 12-19-2025, 09:19 AM   #16602
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Is it? The team has zero stars or core pieces as of right now. Wolf is the only guy that might be one and he has had his struggles. Parekh is a big question mark still. Coronato has potential but is likely a support piece. Beyond that there are some okay prospects but none of them project to be stars. That is not the make up of an elite future. This is why the Flames should commit to a top pick this year and actually land that first core piece. Why are we trying to squeeze out a few extra wins with aging vets nearing the end of their career? Just accelerate the inevitable. I honestly don't even care about the returns. If Conroy can get a 2nd or late 1st it really doesn't matter all that much. The difference between 2nd overall and 9th overall is way more important to the future of the franchise.
Yes ... no future is over dramatic.

A conversation about being done the rebuild, or having what they need to compete, etc is fair game and would have most of us saying there is a lot of work to do.

But "no future" is click bait from an obvious source.
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Old 12-19-2025, 09:22 AM   #16603
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I really hope there are other suitors other than the Leafs or the Stars. There was mention of Detroit, and they have some decent prospects but not sure which ones Yzerman would part with. I don't think there is a chance he parts with Danielson, perhaps Brandsegg-Nygard. I am not high on Marco Kasper, even though he is just 21 he has seemed to struggle to get traction.

Perhaps 2026 1st + Brandsegg-Nygard for Andersson. Perhaps that is too rich for the Wings.

With regard to the Stars, I think any deal with them has to be built around Bischel. They don't have any forward prospects that really move the needle in my opinion of course

Lian Bischel + 2027 1st for Andersson (50%) retained

With the Leafs, they are just a poor trading partner. I understand why Conroy is asking about Knies (if this is true) since their cupboards are really empty of good prospects. I don't think the Leafs would move Knies of course so I don't see them as an option unless all other offers from teams are garbage and Andersson only accepts an extension there.

Cowan+Hildeby+2028 1st + Conditional 2027 2nd (Andersson signing) for Andersson (50% retained) + Cooley (since there was mention of the desire to have Cooley as part of the deal)

I would love for San Jose to step up since they have a deep prospect pool, but it sounds like they are insistent on Andersson signing to make a deal so not sure if that goes anywhere.
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Old 12-19-2025, 09:25 AM   #16604
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Last week of January can't come quick enough. I don't think any trade will happen before then unless a bidding war between a few teams starts up.
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Old 12-19-2025, 09:35 AM   #16605
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I think you set a price, but have points in time where you need to lower the price or not get the deal done ... especially with expiring contracts.

I think he was able to wait out Lindholm (Canucks stepped up), and Markstrom (wasn't expiring and waited to the summer).

I think he had to lower his price for Hanifin and for Tanev to make sure he didn't get painted into a corner.

With the lowered price tag it's more than likely that he turned down better deals previously and with that made a mistake, but that's a reality for every GM.
We will never know what the best offer was and if he got it. And you could present 3-4 so called best offers and fans could all have a different opinion on what the best offer was.

For me, I think the biggest issue I have with people complaining about a return A vs return B is the difference in the value draft picks. A late 1st for a 2nd isn't as dramatic as most make it out to be. Odds are both picks amount to nothing.

Take the Tanev deal, lots wanted a 1st but Conroy for a 2nd and Grushnikov. I get that most of us do not care about how well the Wranglers play and the cutlure that team has, but the difference of a 1st to a 2nd if the 1st is outside the top 20 is maybe 3% chance at a top 2 line forward or d. Even if Grushnikov never plays in the NHL, scouts had him as a mature potential captain type player. Having him the system and having prospects like Gridin in the AHL brings value that Conroy considered that the rest of us just brush off like Grush = bust so bad trade CC.
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Old 12-19-2025, 09:39 AM   #16606
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For any Leafs proposal, I would not accept any conditions on the 2028 first. When you punt the draft pick 3 years down the road, you can't assume the pick will be able to contribute to the club for at least 5 years. This doesn't really help the Flames for a long time, and should result in increased leverage for CC.
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Old 12-19-2025, 09:43 AM   #16607
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Trade freeze kicks in tonight correct? I wonder if we see anything league wide today?
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Dec. 20-27 Holiday roster freeze in effect:
For all players on an NHL active roster, injured reserve, or with non-roster and injured non-roster
status as of 11:59 p.m. (local time) Dec. 19, a roster freeze shall apply through 12:01 a.m. (local time)
Dec. 28, with respect to waivers, trades and loans, subject to the exceptions provided for in CBA
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Good, get him with a 2nd or 3rd and let his dad work him back into the player he was supposed to be. What we know about his family work ethic shouldn't be an issue.
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Old 12-19-2025, 10:06 AM   #16610
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A 2028 pick unless it ends up top of the draft isn’t playing / contributing until 2032ish - assuming they work out

If that’s the best you can get sure I guess - but I don’t see the Leafs being bottom of the standings bad in 2018.

I actually would love the Flames to get a prospect they are high on vs a pick for Andersson but you need 2 to tango
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Old 12-19-2025, 10:16 AM   #16611
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Yes ... no future is over dramatic.

A conversation about being done the rebuild, or having what they need to compete, etc is fair game and would have most of us saying there is a lot of work to do.

But "no future" is click bait from an obvious source.
20 years ago we had steve jobs, bob hope, and right wing jarome iginla

now we have no jobs, no hope, and special advisor to the GM jarome iginla.
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Trade freeze kicks in tonight correct? I wonder if we see anything league wide today?
I am skeptical.
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Old 12-19-2025, 10:46 AM   #16613
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Is it? The team has zero stars or core pieces as of right now. Wolf is the only guy that might be one and he has had his struggles. Parekh is a big question mark still. Coronato has potential but is likely a support piece. Beyond that there are some okay prospects but none of them project to be stars. That is not the make up of an elite future. This is why the Flames should commit to a top pick this year and actually land that first core piece. Why are we trying to squeeze out a few extra wins with aging vets nearing the end of their career? Just accelerate the inevitable. I honestly don't even care about the returns. If Conroy can get a 2nd or late 1st it really doesn't matter all that much. The difference between 2nd overall and 9th overall is way more important to the future of the franchise.
I agree that we really need a top pick this year (or next) when we have potential franchise-altering talents available, but I think to say we have zero stars/core pieces right now is disingenuous, even if your argument is that they're "not stars yet"

Wolf has shown at every level that he's an elite goaltender and barring anything unforeseen happening, he is going to be a top goalie in this league for years to come. He had a crap start to the year, but so did the entire team, and even the best goalies go through periods where they aren't very good.

So far in December, he has a 2.22 and 0.916, which would be up there with the goaltending leaders and impressive on a team like this.

And I don't think Parekh is a question mark at all - he didn't really look out of place at the start of the year, despite his deployment being questionable (I don't think he was given the right partners at all), despite the entire team playing poorly, and despite him evidently playing through a nagging injury. He may not be an immediate star right out of the gate, but he has too much talent and smarts to not be a star sooner than later.

Apart from Wolf and Parekh, I agree that there are a lot of question marks on how many potential stars we do or don't have. I do think Coronato will be a star in the league but I also think he needs to play with the right linemates to maximize his potential.
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I agree that we really need a top pick this year (or next) when we have potential franchise-altering talents available, but I think to say we have zero stars/core pieces right now is disingenuous, even if your argument is that they're "not stars yet"

Wolf has shown at every level that he's an elite goaltender and barring anything unforeseen happening, he is going to be a top goalie in this league for years to come. He had a crap start to the year, but so did the entire team, and even the best goalies go through periods where they aren't very good.

So far in December, he has a 2.22 and 0.916, which would be up there with the goaltending leaders and impressive on a team like this.

And I don't think Parekh is a question mark at all - he didn't really look out of place at the start of the year, despite his deployment being questionable (I don't think he was given the right partners at all), despite the entire team playing poorly, and despite him evidently playing through a nagging injury. He may not be an immediate star right out of the gate, but he has too much talent and smarts to not be a star sooner than later.

Apart from Wolf and Parekh, I agree that there are a lot of question marks on how many potential stars we do or don't have. I do think Coronato will be a star in the league but I also think he needs to play with the right linemates to maximize his potential.
Once some trades go through, I think Gridin will be back in the NHL. I think he has more potential than Coronato.

Reschny is on team Canada and Parekh is on the top pairing. Can't wait to see them play in a tournament like this.

1 elite franchise forward that bumps each one of these guys down the depth chart will make a huge difference.

I don't think they Flames will be out of the basement next year either and I'm ok with anyone one of the top 4 picks. Vancouver might play better if Demko stays healthy and Nashville has a history of playing well in the 2nd half. Really, it's wide open for the top pick still.
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Once some trades go through, I think Gridin will be back in the NHL. I think he has more potential than Coronato.

Reschny is on team Canada and Parekh is on the top pairing. Can't wait to see them play in a tournament like this.

1 elite franchise forward that bumps each one of these guys down the depth chart will make a huge difference.

I don't think they Flames will be out of the basement next year either and I'm ok with anyone one of the top 4 picks. Vancouver might play better if Demko stays healthy and Nashville has a history of playing well in the 2nd half. Really, it's wide open for the top pick still.
Forgot about Gridin to be honest but I agree, I think both he and Reschny have star potential though it's still a bit early to tell for Reschny. I think Gridin is showing enough that you can reasonably say there's a good chance he becomes a star.
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Old 12-19-2025, 11:43 AM   #16616
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Good, get him with a 2nd or 3rd and let his dad work him back into the player he was supposed to be. What we know about his family work ethic shouldn't be an issue.
Maybe he just ends up being an Alex Nylander.
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Old 12-19-2025, 11:46 AM   #16617
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I think there are 3 future stars in the organization right now:
Wolf
Parekh
Gridin


I think there are a couple of potential stars too:
Wyttenbach is definitely making jumps up my list
Suniev - although slow to start the AHL - has some serious star potential IMO. Incredibly talented and has size too.
Mews may be here. He would probably have made the WJC team this year too if not for his injury. Small sample size so too early to tell.


There are other guys too. The NHL is all about speed now. A guy like Mathew Phillips just wasn't talented enough or fast enough. Potter is definitely fast enough, and he has the IQ and hands too. Maybe there is something more to him too.


Reschny has been climbing up my own books. I had him as an adequate 2nd line center, but he is proving that he might just be a 1st line center. I guess we will see, but it is hard not to like his game and the overall package he has. He just dispaced O'Brien - 6'2" RHS center that was taken 8th overall in the same draft on Team Canada. What does that say to you?


Then there is a LOT of really good depth. Basha is starting slow, but I will be shocked if he isn't a middle-six NHL'er in a couple of seasons. Honzek is going to be a good player for Calgary. Unfortunate injuries, but the good thing is that they are never the same ones, so I am not worried about his future health in the slightest. Morin will get it together - maybe he will be the next Giordano, or maybe he will be a bottom-pairing D, but I do like his 2-way game.


Flames are going to come out of this rebuild really well. More futures will be added. This prospect pool will really take a step up this year on so many lists. I look forward to it.


I laugh at the 'future of the team is hopeless' - I see exactly the opposite. This team's future is very bright. This organization drafts and develops really well. That's all that hope I need.
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I think there are 3 future stars in the organization right now:
Wolf
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Gridin


I think there are a couple of potential stars too:
Wyttenbach is definitely making jumps up my list
Suniev - although slow to start the AHL - has some serious star potential IMO. Incredibly talented and has size too.
Mews may be here. He would probably have made the WJC team this year too if not for his injury. Small sample size so too early to tell.


There are other guys too. The NHL is all about speed now. A guy like Mathew Phillips just wasn't talented enough or fast enough. Potter is definitely fast enough, and he has the IQ and hands too. Maybe there is something more to him too.


Reschny has been climbing up my own books. I had him as an adequate 2nd line center, but he is proving that he might just be a 1st line center. I guess we will see, but it is hard not to like his game and the overall package he has. He just dispaced O'Brien - 6'2" RHS center that was taken 8th overall in the same draft on Team Canada. What does that say to you?


Then there is a LOT of really good depth. Basha is starting slow, but I will be shocked if he isn't a middle-six NHL'er in a couple of seasons. Honzek is going to be a good player for Calgary. Unfortunate injuries, but the good thing is that they are never the same ones, so I am not worried about his future health in the slightest. Morin will get it together - maybe he will be the next Giordano, or maybe he will be a bottom-pairing D, but I do like his 2-way game.


Flames are going to come out of this rebuild really well. More futures will be added. This prospect pool will really take a step up this year on so many lists. I look forward to it.


I laugh at the 'future of the team is hopeless' - I see exactly the opposite. This team's future is very bright. This organization drafts and develops really well. That's all that hope I need.
If the Flames can get a pair of 1sts+ for Kadri and Andersson and add a top 5 pick this year and potentially next year, the Flames would be in an extremely good position.
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If the Flames can get a pair of 1sts+ for Kadri and Andersson and add a top 5 pick this year and potentially next year, the Flames would be in an extremely good position.

That may make them jump into the top 5, especially given what Gridin and Wyttenbach are doing at the moment. I honestly don't understand how people aren't more excited about the future.
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That may make them jump into the top 5, especially given what Gridin and Wyttenbach are doing at the moment. I honestly don't understand how people aren't more excited about the future.
People around here act like the Flames have dug themselves into a hole of despair. In reality, they are a couple of obvious moves away from having an elite set of prospects.
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