2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by shutout

I think that to a team in their contending window that needs a goaltender that Markstrom is worth the equivalent of a second and third round pick.

That would be a second round pick and a 5-8 prospect on a teams list.

If you are retaining 1/3 on the contract then I think it becomes the equivalent of 2 second round picks or a late first round pick. Once it is a first round pick then you are getting a 6-10 teams prospect.

I would not spend $5M to upgrade a 3rd round pick to a 2nd round pick. Take the 2nd and 3rd and let them deal with the money.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Problem there is the maximum value you would get out of Lindholm as an uber-cheap center is countered by the big hit Markstrom brings to the table. Removes the vast majority of the league from the mix. Markstrom gets moved on his own IMO because of the term in his contract.

I think the idea would be to make the trade bigger both ways. I proposed something like this:

To Colorado:
Markstrom (50% retained)
Lindholm (50% retained)

To Calgary:
Johansen (salary dump)
2024 1st round pick
2025 1st round pick
Calum Ritchie

Keep in mind, this trade saves Colorado some cap space next year since Markstrom at 50% retained (= $3 million AAV) is less of a cap hit than Johansen ($4 million)… so they get cap relief next season in this circumstance.

The flames trading Lindholm on his own to another team likely gets you a 1st round pick + 2nd round pick + B-level prospect. Markstrom at 50% retained likely gets you something like a 2nd round pick + 3rd round pick on his own. Taking a contract like Johansen’s back as a cap dump adds value to the trade in favour of the flames.

This trade uses a cap dump and salary retention to inflate the values of both players in a single trade. It could be argued both ways as to who is getting the better deal in this scenario I think. Colorado gets cap relief next year and brings in two players at positions they could use some improvement in right now. If Lindholm works out, they might be able to extend him in the offseason using that cap relief. Calgary gets higher value picks and a higher value prospect back instead of getting more picks by trading the players separately (i.e. quality over quantity in the trade).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The guy is 22.

In 200 NHL games, he has 146 points - and he's been playing on a tire fire of a team.

I'd 100% trade Andersson for that.

The idea that Zegras is overrated because he's done the michigan? Nah, look at his production. Look at his skillset. Critizing him for not being a two way player? He's a 22 year old centre.

If I thought he would stay I agree with you but I just don't think he is the type of US born player that would. Zegras has 2 years left after this year which means you get him for a year and then probably hace to trade him. Don't get me wrong, I think he is an exciting top C in the making but too risky.

[dissentowner]

Also, if Anaheim is indeed shopping Zegras the Avs might go in that direction instead of Lindholm.

[Jason14h]

When was the last time (s) a team traded 2 first round picks in a deal ?

I can’t recall it happening

[Knut]

Not enough Instagram Thots here for Zegras.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Also, if Anaheim is indeed shopping Zegras the Avs might go in that direction instead of Lindholm.

To bolster their team for a playoff run?

doubt it

[HighLifeMan]

Yeah. I think a large chunk of the hockey community see's right through the skills of Zegras. He's a fundamentally flawed hockey player at this point in time that provides all flash, and little in the way of substance. Until that changes there is no hope in hell I am giving up Andersson, or Wolf, or a top 10 pick for him.

Calgary certainly needs some high end skill injected into the lineup and Zegras provides that in spades, but I wouldn't break the bank for the kid.

[Matty81]

I agree that Zegras would be a great add for the flames... the team just doesn't have that skillset in the fold right now that can break down defenses with a move or edgework since Johnny left, a lot of north-south players. And that kind of skillset is tough to acquire in a young player through the draft as it seems like such a premium is placed on it in junior players who typically put up huge numbers with that skillset.

Andersson might make more sense to move than Hanifin with the club committed to Weegar and having no other left shot top 4 dmen. I'd be OK with an Andersson Zegras trade with a few other parts. Andersson would be a big loss but I don't think will ever be an elite dman as is a bit flat footed and you get extra year of team control in Zegras, both contracts expire at the same time but Zegras is an RFA at expiry.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m open to the discussion. So why is his save percentage so low? He’s anecdotally letting in poor goals from what I see.

He is 12th in the league for save percentage for starters (20+ games played) so his save percentage isn’t low to begin with. The Flames also have to be in the top of the league for terrible giveaways and defensive breakdowns as well. The sens late goal in the 1st is a perfect example. That one is more anecdotal though.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

I'd love to scoop up Zegras at a bargain...if thats even possible. But for Andersson? Not even close.

If and when we decide to move Andersson, the haul will be massive

Will it really be much more than Chychrun? If the Flames sign Hanifin, I'd be happy with a Zegras for Andersson swap

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think it's fair to adjust goalie value based on a bad season for sure. If it's a fear that that is the new trend, buyer beware.

Toronto media certainly felt that with Campbell. Hilarious the Oilers bit.

But was that the Markstrom story? Pretty strange year in Calgary for the entire team, turmoil off the ice. He was great in Vancouver, good then hurt in Calgary, a Vezina nominee, then a bump in the road.

Don't think they equate then or now.

Yes, the situations are different now, but they were very similar in the off-season. They could've just as easily been reversed had Campbell rebounded, and Markstorm kept struggling.

Markstrom also had an up-and-down season in his first year in CGY. It could be the result of his injury, but he still had a .904sv% on the year. Last year's season was also coming after leaving a very sour taste in everyone's mouths from his performance in the EDM series.

It could've just as easily been Markstorm having 3 bad years out of the last 4. Which is why I don't think he would've had many suitors in the off-season.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Which part? The part where I acknowledge he’s improved from last year? Or that he still isn’t up to snuff? Because his save percentage is ranked pretty low against his peers.

No the part where you downplay the rebound this season and suggest he still sucks.

Luckily there are better data points available than save percentage to judge goaltenders these days!

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Will it really be much more than Chychrun? If the Flames sign Hanifin, I'd be happy with a Zegras for Andersson swap

At his current cap hit? Absolutely. Rasmus makes $4.5 mil per until the end of 2026…..

Straight up for Zegras… get the #### out of here. We don’t have to completely ignore the value of top pairing defenseman and cap space in order to make a point about a player we like.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yes, the situations are different now, but they were very similar in the off-season. They could've just as easily been reversed had Campbell rebounded, and Markstorm kept struggling.

Markstrom also had an up-and-down season in his first year in CGY. It could be the result of his injury, but he still had a .904sv% on the year. Last year's season was also coming after leaving a very sour taste in everyone's mouths from his performance in the EDM series.

It could've just as easily been Markstorm having 3 bad years out of the last 4. Which is why I don't think he would've had many suitors in the off-season.

I just don't see the situations all that similar ever.

Markstrom's resume of playoff victories and Vezina consideration is well above anything Campbell has ever achieved.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

At his current cap hit? Absolutely. Rasmus makes $4.5 mil per until the end of 2026…..

Straight up for Zegras… get the #### out of here. We don’t have to completely ignore the value of top pairing defenseman and cap space in order to make a point about a player we like.

Chychrun makes 4.6 and also had term on his contract.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Chychrun makes 4.6 and also had term on his contract.

One less season and a more restrictive NTC.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I don’t see the Flames retaining on Markstrom. They may take a bad contract in return, but paying for a player who is on another team for anything but the rest of this season is a pipe dream. Markstrom goes out at 100% and the Flames take a bad contract at 100%. Edwards isn’t going to approve retention over a number of years. That ain’t his style.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

When was the last time (s) a team traded 2 first round picks in a deal ?

I can’t recall it happening

March 2022, Tampa Bay for Hagel. LOL

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'm wondering what people think we can get for Markstrom? I don't see a huge package being returned. It will be like any other deal and something we don't want is likely to come back with what we target. I suspect we're still in that "B" level prospect range and a mid-round pick for Markstrom on his own. As part of a larger package we might be able to extract a higher pick, but that will be with a poison apple returning.

As the great Harry Neale is credited with saying, "Goaltending is 75% of your hockey team, unless you don't have it. Then it's 100%.

If a team thinks that Markstrom can do what Bobrovsky did last year in the playoffs than they may well give up a first for him.

I could see something that allows the Flames to get something more if the team reaches the final four, the finals, or wins the cup in the next three years.